Hi everyone,

I have fine, thin, long, wavy hair that gets obnoxiously greasy at my scalp. It is so thin that I can feel my bare scalp whenever I run my fingers through my hair. I almost never use heat on it. I towel dry my hair after showering, and then I let it air dry. I never use any products on my hair unless I use a leave-in conditioner, and I use that ONLY on my ends.

A month ago, I decided to go a more natural route. I was hoping this route would help to control my oil, thicken my hair up, and that it would give it more volume. I switched to natural/organic hair products. I shampoo with Alba Botanica Hawaiian Coconut Shampoo every day/other day. I use diluted Apple Cider Vinegar as my conditioner. I pour some on my head and I rub it in for a few minutes. I rinse really well. I usually put my hair in a ponytail once my hair is done drying. I do this because I can't stand feeling it in my face, and I don't want to play with my hair. Alas, my hair still gets oily again after 12 hours, and it's definitely oily after 24 hours.

What am I doing wrong? I am so frustrated because my hair still is greasy, still lacks volume, and I've wasted time and money on trying different products/techniques. It's been a month, and I've noticed zero improvement. I even abandoned my invisibobble ponytail holders to see if ponytails were contributing to my oily scalp. It didn't make a difference.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

P.S. On days that I don't wash my hair (which is very difficult) I use dry shampoo. I can only make it two days without washing, and I can only do that if I am not going anywhere!

Resilient Oily Scalp


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Wash my hair twice weekly with a sulphate free shampoo and a dove intensive conditioner.

weekly coconut/castor/olive/almond oil treatment

Use Charles Worthington leave in conditioner after washing, heat protectant and a boar bristle brush.

I only straighten on ghd eclipse's once a week. I tie my hair low and loosely with an invisibobble.

My split ends and hair thickness is definitely improving ( I have a half head of hi/low lights every 8 weeks) but my hair continues to break at the sides.

Any ideas guys and gals?

Hair keeps breaking at the sides?


My hair has definitely been healthier since I graduated from elastics to [spirals](https://www.amazon.co.uk/invisibobble-ORIGINAL-Hair-Crystal-Clear/dp/B00F23MMF6/), but I feel like I always look like I'm on the way to PE in them. They're practical for my day to day but I couldn't wear one to a business meeting. I've been looking into more 'grown up' versions and I'm a bit lost - on one end of the spectrum there's more colourful ties which can be [cut to length](https://www.amazon.co.uk/PRO-Hair-Tie-Easy-Release-Lifestyle/dp/B09677J3WV/), on the other there's [mulberry silk scrunchies](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mulberry-Scrunchies-Everyday-Elastics-Ponytail/dp/B091P4XJLM/ref). Are there any alternatives to [clear elastics](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cosy-CompanionsTM-Elastic-Rubber-Elastics/dp/B08VW3F4GM/ref) for braided styles? They keep my hair in place but often at the cost of some split ends, and honestly the fact that they're single use pains me.. I need something to keep my hair out of my face that looks professional, I'm just not sure what, exactly, I'm looking for.

I have type 1 hair, very fine & (tragically) thin, but it's fairly grippy so it has been known to hold bobby pins/[hair sticks](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canlierr-Pieces-Hairpins-Chignon-Accessories/dp/B08YRNWN8D/). More generally though, I'd love to hear from people with every hair type, it's always really informative to see what works for other people. Learning about 2a-4c hair helped me understand my own, and why certain styles/accessories will never work for me even though they look *amazing* on my friends.

What do you use to keep your hair out of your face these days?

Which hair ties/accessories do you use that look polished & prevent breakage?


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Invisibobble hair ties on sale (half off - Canada)


EDIT: I don't know how I messed up the title, but it should be Kitsch.

Has anyone tried these? If so, can you tell me your experience? I use the Invisibobble coils but Sephora is only carrying the Slims and I've heard those break easily. Plus, the Kitsch one are much more affordable (8 for $9 versus 3 for $8 for the Invisibobble).

I have fine, straight hair that's medium length. I want something that'll hold a ponytail without leaving dents and without being too tight and giving me a headache.

Kisch Hair Coils


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Odd question about Invisibobble..


Routine: I use head and shoulders shampoo and Monday curl conditioner. I tried out the Kitsch air dry cream and it left my hair feeling and looking dirty. Are there and curl products out there that don’t do this? They’ve all done this to me and I just want to be able to still run my fingers through my hair. For context I have a mix of 2A and 2B curls

Kitsch air dry cream


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1. Products: **Innersense** shampoo, conditioner, leave-in conditioner, hair mask (**sometimes**!)

First, i go in with 2 rounds of shampoo, on the second round i use a scalp scruber. After that i go in with a regular conditioner and ill detangle my hair in the shower. I scrunch and let it sit for 3-4 mins. After that i rinse it out with cold water and i only use a hair mask once a month. To style my hair, i make sure it's soaking wet and then ill apply my leave in conditioner all over my hair. Then i detangle and section my hair. From there i brush style using a denman through all of the sections. On the crown of my head i use sunday kalogeras routine! Then i grab my diffuser and i dry it on cool until it's 70% dry. Once it's at that point i dry it on warm or hot until my hair is completely dry (**i cup diffuse!!!**) I shake my roots for volume and ur done!! for sleep i use a silk/satin bonnet by kitsch and i sleep on silk pillow cases. i dont use any oil on my hair and i dont recommend it for my curly haired baddies as it dries my hair out really bad 😞 but thats all for my routine and if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer!! 🫶

here’s my routine!! 😚


**New to curly/wavy hair after a lifetime of straight hair. Help!**

I’ve been in denial for a few years (I think… honestly I’m not sure when this started 😅), but I just had 9 inches cut off and I have no idea what to do now!

For my entire life I’ve had stick-straight hair so I’d love advice on products, techniques, and what curl/wave type you think I have. My hair is very fine, but I have a lot of it. It’s never been dyed, and I rarely use heat (I’d like to keep it that way).

The biggest challenge is that I work out every morning before work, so I’d love a routine that’s low-maintenance and easy to refresh without washing every morning. I also ride horses in a helmet which is usually before going home for the day but want to include it!

**Current routine:**

* Wash every 7–10 days (more often if I get extra sweaty).
* Shampoo: Kitsch Shampoo Bar.
* Conditioner: Kitsch Conditioner Bar.
* After washing, I don’t use any styling products.
* I either air dry completely or go to bed with wet hair and let it dry overnight.
* Once dry, I apply argan oil to the ends.
* Currently I’ll dampen it and twist sections, or put it in a top bun while it dries.
* I just ordered Sun Bum Revitalizing Air Dry Cream but haven’t tried it yet.

The attached photos are all with this routine—no diffuser, no mousse, no gel, no curl cream, no heat styling.

Tips for refreshing after it being up for the gym would also be super helpful!

Last few photos are before I donated 9 inches.

New curls - no more straight hair!


Can someone please explain my hair to me? How do I care for it on a tight budget?

This is my hair in various situations from 2022-2026. I have maintained the same hair routine for years and I feel like my hair looks drastically different from one wash to the next (even if absolutely nothing changed).

My hair lifts well at the root. The shorter it is the less it curls. Some areas seem to be straight and others aren't. Sometimes it's all straight but curls in or out at the ends, sometimes patches are straight and stick out and others are trying to curl.

 In January-March 2022 I went through a period of extreme stress that made my hair shed like crazy and turn grey. The texture changed. It isn't as fine and has more grit to it (which should tell you just how fine it was before) but the blonde returned, just more ash than it used to be. And it went from wavy to.. whatever this is.

**Hair Dye**

My natural hair color is *very* light ash blonde, and I've dyed it every color of the rainbow and more. For vivids I use Arctic Fox or Lime Crime temporary dyes. The pic where its dark brown with highlights, I used a permanent color from L'Oreal's pro line and lightener, but I generally don't lighten my hair (even the last picture; I put lavender toner on my natural hair in the front.)

**Hair Care Routine**

1. Wash with Prescription Ketoconazole shampoo (I have to use it for seb derm). Rinse.

2. Scrunch in Pacifica Pineapple Curls Curl Defining Conditioner. I leave it in until I finish the rest of my shower, then rinse.

3. Scrunch in Not Your Mother's Curl Cream

4. Plop/Wrap hair with Cotton jersey hair towel, which I leave on while I finish my skincare routine, moisturize, etc. (its usually in there for up 15-20 minutes)

5. My hair is damp when I take off the towel. I let it air dry the rest of the way, which doesn't take long at all. At its longest it takes 30 minutes, but when it's short, maybe 10 minutes. At that point the only thing I do is straighten out the parting its naturally doing or tuck stray strands behind my ear.

**Protect:**

I have done a few things to protect my hair at night but nothing works. Bonnets slip off. My husband started wrapping my hair in his durags, but they slipped off as well. (I have the same issue with hats, bandanas, and even headphones.) We bought silk pillowcases, but they're so slippery and crinkly. It's hard to sleep and managed to slip from under me and launch into our nightstand -\_- he also hated them lol. We switched back to cotton sateen pillow cases, but I know they're not ideal.

**Refresh**

I (rarely) use Kitsch Dry Shampoo Powder for oil control. I wash my hair twice a week.

Wavy/curly hair on a budget. Example pics from 2022-2026


I’ve been getting a ton of ads for this recently and am tempted to try it because it’s so inexpensive. But also don’t want o add to my collection of half-used bottles of mediocre products. I’ve seen reviews here for other Kitsch products but not this. I’d love to hear about your experiences.

My routine: wash with Dove Amplified shampoo, condition with Dove intensive conditioner, comb it through in shower and rinse most out. Then use either Dove Amplified leave-in conditioner OR Aussie Miracle Curls mousse. Air dry.

Kitsch Air Dry Cream: have you used it? What did you think?


Title and pics say it all. Struggled for years with my hair that's insanely thick, coarse, curly, dry, and tangle-prone.

I can't believe I finally found a routine that makes me love my curls. Here it is! I buy all these products at Meijer (where I buy my groceries), except the Kitsch stuff, which I ordered from their site.

1. Not Your Mother's Naturals curl-defining shampoo and conditioner

2. Shea Moisture bond repair leave-in

3. Mielle rosemary mint hair oil

4. Kitsch microfiber hair turban

5. Kitsch bonnet

I wash every few days. I oil beforehand, massage it in, and leave it for 30 minutes or so. Then I wash, cold rinse, apply leave in, dry with microfiber turban, put it in a top bun, sleep in bonnet . In the morning, I just take out the bun, shake it out, scrunch it a little, apply a headband and we're good to go!

I don't do that routine every day, and I still do lots of ponytails and buns since I have to for my job. But when I put in the work, those curls show it 🙂↕

FINALLY found the right products!!!


The first picture is an hour or so after washing, putting products, and diffusing my hair (see routine below). The second is right before I went to bed. Now on day 3 my front pieces are almost flattened out, and the volume is lost on the crown of my head. Any tips for to maintain so I can go 4-5 days before washing again?

Routine:
\- shampoo and conditioner, both amika Hydro Rush Intense Moisture
\- flip head over in the shower and brush downwards
\-squeeze some water out then apply hydro rush
intense moisture leave-in conditioner + frizz control **Curl Talk**
**SCULPTING GEL level 3** and SCRUNCH
\- run **Curl Talk ACTIVATING MOUSSE level 2** through scrunched curls and scrunch some more!
\- scrunch dry into a cotton t shirt
\- diffuse with my head turned over and to the side
\- wait 10-15 minutes then scrunch Cliganic Organic Jojoba Oil through crunchy hair

I sleep with a silk pillowcase but do have a silk bonnet from kitsch. I am little iffy when sleeping with it because I’ve had bad results in the morning.

Maintaining Curls/Waves


is this frizz, or dryness or even damaged hair? if so is this level of it normal? any recommendations to fix it?

routine:
kitsch coconut oil shampoo every friday
kitsch coconut oil conditioner every day
garnier fructis moroccan oil after showering while hair is still damp/wet

advice?


routine:

1. washed with kitsch argan oil shampoo and conditioner.

2. then used briogeo curl cream and uncle funkys which I’ve never used together and they left a weird residue on my hair since they didn’t mix well.

3. followed with marc anthony mousse. let air dry in the sun and then scrunched with trader joe’s hair oil. still looks good tho but I will not be using the briogeo and uncle funkys together anymore lol.

wash day


Hi. I usually wash my hair about 2 times a week. The curls do pretty well on no wash days but my head is surrounded by a halo of frizz. I don’t really want to wet it completely, I mist it and have tried watered down leave in conditioners and hair oils but nothing seems to work.

Wash day routine is Kitsch shampoo and conditioner bars, Function of beauty curly hair leave in conditioner and Camille Rose curl maker gel. Dry with a diffuser. I don’t push it into my hair I just scrunch occasionally while drying. I currently have Semi DiLino multi benefit oil I use on slightly damp hair for my no shampoo days. It was very expensive and doesn’t do anything. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Product recommendations for non wash day frizz control


WHAT is this lintification?? I clean out the hairbrush and when i brush my hair (after wetting and then using mousse) it immediately gets linty again????
My hair is on the fence of wavy/curly depending on the environment and whatever mood my hair is in that day Imao, so it definitely clings onto stuff but like... what do i do about this? It drives me crazy. It's the cause of most of my tangles I feel like.

My routine:
1. I use earthlingco shampoo and conditioner bars washing about 1x a week and sometimes the kitsch clarifying shampoo bar.
2. I use Mielle rosemary & mint hair oil a couple times a week on the bottom half of my hair. I use Aussie wavy leave-in mousse after spraying with water if i want to brush it all the way through.
3. I usually airdry after like 30min or so in a turby-twist.
4. I’ve tried to wear a bonnet to bed but it slides down on my face or the bow is really uncomfy so I don’t end up doing it a lot. I braid my hair every night for bed.

My hair is verrrry long and definitely healthy, but….


Hi all! I used to be really into the curly/wavy subs during the pandemic, and I really thought I had figured out what my wash and go routine was. And now I've moved to a city with what I think is very very hard water. My hair feels greasy on day 2, as opposed to usually my wash days being on day 4 hair. It also doesn't hold its shape like usual. On the whole, I am spending more time washing and styling my hair than I have in years, and I am getting worse results. I have uncolored (presumably low porosity) hair, so I am used to it being pretty unfussy. If anyone can audit my routine or give tips on what to do with hard water I'd be super grateful!

Old routine:

Kitsch shampoo bar

Kitsch conditioner bar

Paul Michell Re-works styling cream

Curlsmith in-shower style fixer OR dippity doo girls with curls gelee

Scrunch with a tee shirt and diffuse to dry

I typically sleep with my hair loose on a silk pillowcase, since it is too short to pineapple

Moved and now my hair is misbehaving!


sometimes (especially as they start to grow out), my bangs like to dry in.. unpredictable ways, flipping outward, twisting around awkwardly, etc. sorry these aren't the best photos, i took these on a particularly bad day where i was feeling kind of frustrated lol..

my routine is as follows:
amika normcore shampoo (1-2x/week)

shea moisture coconut and hibiscus conditioner

shea moisture coconut oil leave-in conditioner

kitsch smoothing air-dry curl cream

usually after i shower, i detangle my hair while it's wet, apply the leave-in and curl cream, scrunch, and let it air dry. if i do anything to my hair while sleeping, it's usually just to sleep in braids. i don't really have much of a refresh routine, i just shower and re-do my full routine.

unpredictable wavy bangs, what do i even do


Started using heatless rods to get more consistent curl definition between wash days and assumed it would be easy. Every tutorial I found was either thirty seconds of someone making it look effortless or a forty five minute deep dive with seventeen products. Neither helped. My results were inconsistent for months before I figured out the three things that actually matter, and almost all of it is technique not equipment.

Hair has to be almost completely dry before wrapping, not damp, not slightly wet, almost completely dry. This one change fixed about seventy percent of my bad results overnight. I wrap right before bed after my hair has air dried through evening routine.

Section size smaller than feels natural. Big sections look easier going in and come out uneven every time. Smaller sections take an extra five minutes and the consistency is completely different, and you keep your actual pattern intact rather than smoothing it out under the wrap. Wait ten minutes after unraveling before touching anything. This is the step every short tutorial skips and it's the difference between curls that hold all day and curls that drop within an hour.

The unraveling step is where most people lose their curl pattern, too much friction on the way off and the curl pulls apart before it's had a chance to set. Satin surface rods are the fix for this, smooth release means the pattern comes out intact rather than frizzed out. I use the kitsch one and it's held up for months of regular use, cheaper rods bent permanently within a few months and I refused to replace a hair tool that often.

That's genuinely the whole tutorial. Everything else is details.

The heatless rod tutorial I wish I'd had after three months of inconsistent curl results


My friend and I switched to bars at the same time, both went with the ethique conditioner bar based on the same recommendation, and had completely opposite experiences. Mine was immediately positive, her hair was a disaster for three weeks before she gave up and went back to liquid.

I have thick 3b curls that absorb everything and need a lot of moisture to stay defined. For context on my routine since I know that matters here: I cleanse with the kitsch rice water shampoo bar lathered in my palms and worked through the scalp, then use the ethique i am generous conditioner bar palm-warmed and applied mid lengths to ends, detangling with a wide tooth comb in the shower. Out of the shower I rake in a cantu coconut curling cream, scrunch in kinky curly curling custard, plop in a microfiber towel for about thirty minutes, then diffuse on low cool with my hair flipped over until it's about 80% dry and air dry the rest. I sleep on a satin pillowcase to preserve definition overnight.

The ethique i am generous bar is exactly what my hair wants, rich formula, incredible slip for detangling, my curl definition after switching was the best it had been in months. I use it every wash day and my hair drinks it up without any buildup or heaviness.

My friend has fine straight hair that gets oily fast. The same bar that my curls loved coated her hair within two washes and she was clarifying every few days just to feel clean. She switched to the kitsch rosemary conditioner bar after someone in a fine hair community recommended it and the difference was immediate, lightweight enough that her hair didn't feel coated, enough slip to detangle without weighing anything down.

Same product category, same brand loyalty, completely different outcomes based on hair type. The ethique conditioner bar is genuinely excellent but it's formulated for hair that needs and can absorb rich conditioning agents. Fine hair needs something lighter and the formula gap between something like ethique i am generous and the kitsch rice water bar is significant enough that the wrong choice feels like the whole format doesn't work.

We both ended up with bars that suit us, just not the same one. The recommendation to switch to bars was right, the recommendation to use the same bar regardless of hair type was where it went wrong.

Ethique conditioner bar works amazingly for my thick curls but wrecked my friend's fine hair


Ive always had very thin hair, and im a little distraught because i thought it was starting to look thicker lately. I sent my mom pictures and asked her if my hair always looked like this, and she didnt didn’t notice a difference.

Routine:

Loveurcurls leave in conditioner and gel, diffuse halfway then airdry, i sleep with a bonnet every night and use a refresh foam on days i dont wash. I usually wash it every 3 days using a bar shampoo and conditioner by kitsch.

Is this normal?


I’m looking at Conair, Revlon, or Hot Tools on Amazon because I want to keep the price under $75.

I don’t remember when I last owned a blow dryer that came with a diffuser. I’ve tried a couple from thrift stores that came with a concentrator nozzle. I bought a sock diffuser, a collapsible diffuser, & a so-called universal type, but they never fit right. I wasn’t going to buy dozens more of aftermarket diffusers to try & find any that fit. So I’ve air-dried since then.

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**Routine**:

I wash my hair whenever it’s oily at the roots. I don’t know how often that it is. I use Kirkland Moisture Shampoo. It doesn’t have sulfates. Sometimes I use the Bed Head Dirty Secret Dry Shampoo if I don’t want to walk around with a wet head. About once a month I use JOICO Defy Damage Detox Shampoo & Protective Conditioner.

If my hair feels dry, I condition with Biolage Hydra Source detangling solution after a shampoo. I also have AVEDA nutri plenish leave-in conditioner & Shea Moisture Jamaican Black Castor Oil Strengthen & Restore Leave-In Conditioner I sometimes use.

For styling, I sometimes use either Deva Curl Ultra Defining Gel or Camille Rose Curl Maker Marshmallow & Agave Leaf Extract that I have travel bottles of. I recently decided to try Kitsch Air Dry Cream. And other times I might use Catwalk Texturizing Salt Spray. I’ve been thinking of repurchasing Noodle Head Curling Cream. My hair loved it. I might use an anti-humidity hair spray such as CHI Enviro 54 Hair Spray Hold Level 3, which I have a travel can of. I try to buy small, to not be so wasteful because I usually don’t like anything in my hair. But I made a mistake of buying a giant can of Paul Mitchell Flexible Hold Sculpting Foam. I already had Cake Beauty Whipped Curl Defining & Volumizing Mousse. I should donate one, but can’t decide which.

I do the upward scrunch & sometimes I plop. Usually the microfiber towel falls off my head or I get too hot & remove it. After it air dries I hate the  ramen noodle look & feel, & then the yuck on my hands after scrunching the crunch.

I don’t protect my hair while sleeping other than sometimes using Living Proof Perfect Hair Day night cap. Satin pillowcases & bonnets make me hot & the bonnets don’t stay on my head. Silk cases are much too expensive. I’m thinking of buying an adjustable bonnet I saw advertised on social media. I used to wear my hair in a pineapple when it was longer & fuller. But my hair is thinner & short now. I can only do a baby paintbrush. I’ve given away most of my elastics & claws.

If I refresh the morning bed head, it’s with water, or AVEDA rinseless refresh, or Mane ‘n Tail Curls Day Curl Refresher Spray, or Paul Mitchell Taming Spray Kids Detangler.

Blow dryer with diffuser attachment needed


hi!
i used to have a tighter curl pattern, now my curls are more like waves.
for some background, once 2021 hit i was dying, cutting and straightening my hair A TON. i mean i would always find something to do to my hair. I stopped caring for my hair and gave up on heat protection. Around 2024 I realized I screwed up. I began to attempt the healing process, but relapsed on the straightening. 2025 I fully committed, I stopped straightening, and got a pixie. The picture above is my hair now, the second is after a few months of hair growth, and the third is how my curls used to be. Now it's more wavy than anything.
Here is my routine: I oil my scalp with hollywood beauty rosemary mint+biotin oil for about 5 mins,scalp to ends. I leave it on my scalp for 20mins to an hour. Then I go in with the suave clarifying shampoo for my first cleanse, then i follow it with the dippity doo shampoo, then i do a hair mask, i usually change them up regularly, i was using the meile rosemary mask, now im using the being 3a-3c curl moisturizing mask. I use leave-in (Function of beauty curly leave in conditioner), then the dippity doo gel and hair mouse, i havent been using a curl cream but when i do its the Cake curl cream. I diffuse occasionally, and use a heat protectant (If im being honest, im not using it as often as I should be)(Kitsch heat protectant). I also started incorporating a curl brush to my routine, and sectioning, it's sooo time consuming.

I heard I should use a protein mask, but I haven't really been able to find one, and I'm scared of protein overload. I really miss my tighter curls. Does anyone have any recs on what I should let go or add to my routine? Or been in this hair situation before, is there any hope for my curls?

my curls are so dead, i don't know what to do! :(


I’m looking at a styling tool with a diffuser attachment for my wavy 2b/2c hair. The price difference between these seems drastic.

Has anyone used these and would they recommend one over the other?

Routine:

Clarifying Shampoo every other wash

NYM Curl Talk Leave-in Conditioner

NYM Curl Talk Curl Cream

NTM Curl Talk Mousse

NYM Curl Talk Styling Gel

Scrunch scrunch scrunch scrunch and rewet hair between each product with Kitsch spray bottle

Air dry or Diffuse

Sleep in satin bonnet

Photo of my hair if that is necessary.

Shark vs. Dyson?


I’ve always had naturally wavy hair when short and when longer some softer curls and never knew how to take care of it. As a result most of my life I flat ironed the crap out of it or just pulled it into a pony tail because I had no clue what else to do with it and it just looked like a frizzy mess.

I finally decided I wanted to learn how to take care of my natural hair and have been spending the last couple of months experimenting with lighter shampoo/conditioner and testing different wave/curl products. but now I’m not sure what’s truly necessary and helping me and what’s redundant.

I am down to washing once every 4 days (used to wash daily and still has oily hair before next wash)

Routine on wash day:

\*OUAI Fine shampoo and conditioner

\*Towel Dry for 5-10 mins with Kitsch Hair Towel wrapped around hair

\*Design Essential Almond & Avocado Curl Enhancing Mousse (golf ball size raked through hair and then scrunched upward)

\*Pattern Curl Cream Mousse (2 kidney bean size sqeezes per side and then scrunched upward with kitsch hair towel)

\*Curlsmith In-Shower Style Fixer (nickel size applied with pray hands on each side and then rescrunched upward with just hands)

\*Place each side of my hair into a claw clip and cover with a satin bonnet

Other products I have currently or am thinking about trying:

\*OUAI curl cream

\*OUAI wave spray

\*OUAI leave in conditioner

\*OUAI super dry shampoo (use this on occasion on day 3 and often on day 4)

I have tried the glow mania shampoo, conditioner, and leave in conditioner and those are all too heavy for my hair though they made my hair really soft. I have a lot of OUAI products because I finally started seeing results when I switched to that shampoo/conditioner and I also love the scents. Willing to try other products.

One of the things I don’t like is that the smaller side of my part doesn’t wave or curl as nicely as the bigger side. Id also like to see if I can get my hair to softly curl at this length or if I need it to be longer. I don’t expect to get anything more than a 3a curl with appropriate styling if I get that.

Fine hair, mostly 2C with occasional 3A behavior, medium porosity, medium-high density

Sorry for the book

Routine Advice


Hi friends! I'm on a journey to try and figure out how to work with my hair better and I'm kinda riding the struggle bus. I read the guide from this sub and have been trying some of the methods, but I'm not really sure what I need to be doing differently. My hair is not very dense (as you can see) and fine. Volume is nonexistent (maybe products are too heavy?) and I always end up with a few weird straight-ish strands, which I've tried finger curling but they don't really hold. Obviously chemical damage is an issue with my mids/ends -- I'm working on growing the color out. Using waaaayyyy more conditioner than I used to has been really helpful for dryness and frizz. Styling is way outside my comfort zone though so I think that's what I need the most help with??

Currently routine: Kitsch rosemary & biotin shampoo bar, Kitsch coconut oil conditioner bar (trying to use them up before i think about switching). Microfiber towel and damp styling with NYM Curl Talk defining cream and activating mousse, scrunching and finger curling as needed, and scrunching out the crunch when it's dry. Usually air dry, but today i did some light diffusing. I've been sleeping with a satin scrunchie (pineapple) and a satin wrap.

Need advice/guidance


I am currently using the lush shampoo bar, but my hair feels “squeaky clean” afterwards and I’m looking into getting a different bar (and I don’t like driving to the mall whenever I need a new one) I have been looking into ethique and kitsch, but wanted to get some curly haired people’s recommendations as well. TIA!

Routine:

Wash hair 2x a week using:

Lush coconut rice cake shampoo bar

Conditioner: redken all soft and Trader Joe’s shea butter and coconut oil hair mask

After the shower: brush with bounce curl brush run cream through my hair, scrunch w/ tshirt, finger curl, and scrunch with mousse

Cream: not your mothers curl cream OR mark anthony strictly curls lotion

Mousse: not your mothers curl talk mousse

Non hair washing routine: spray with water, scrunch with mousse as necessary, spray with leave in conditioner if I used mousse

Non hair washing routine products:

Mousse: shea moisture frizz free

Leave in: mark anthony leave in conditioner

Shampoo bars?


I have 3a hair, but I also need a haircut pretty badly so I’m not judging how well a product enhances my curls until I get a few inches chopped off.

Has anyone with a similar hair texture had good experiences with Kitsch Air Dry Cream? Does it enhance your curls or does it make your hair look wavy instead?

The products I use now bring out my curls when my hair is at a good length, but I’m also using more stuff than I want to.

The posting rules ask for a routine, even though I’m not asking for advice on existing steps…so:

Shampoo: Selsun Blue

Conditioner: Monday Moisturizing Condotioner

Leave-In Conditioner: Odele

Curl Mousse: Not Your Mother’s

Anti-Frizz Spray: amika

Kitsch Air Dry Cream?


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Anyone have good experiences with Kitsch Air Dry Cream?


i’ve been experimenting with different products for the past couple of months while finally making an effort to embrace my hair’s natural texture. previously, other products have weighed my curls down and caused the curls to drop after day 2, gave me a greasy texture that i didn’t like, or caused unmanageable frizz. however, i think with these products, i’ve finally found what works for my hair and i’m so happy about it! finally going on a curly hair journey has made me so happy and i’m so excited to have finally landed on a routine that works for me. (:

routine:

kitsch rosemary & biotin scalp & hair oil all over my scalp before washing.

kitsch rosemary & biotin shampoo and conditioner bars to wash.

pattern scalp serum massaged into scalp (i’ve been having a particularly dry scalp week).

umberto giannini creme de curl applied in small sections.

define in small sections with denman d3 brush.

apply pattern mousse all over hair and then scrunch out excess water with clean t-shirt.

scrunch in umberto giannini curl jelly all over hair.

diffuse.

i think i finally found my holy grail of products


I have (I believe) coarse but very low density curly hair. I have scarcity at the too of my head so I have like barely any hair lol. I never ever get a crunchy gel cast. I’ve had it sometimes but those washes come rarely and I don’t remember what I did specifically. I even tried adding gel AFTER scrunching out the excess water. I’m not sure what to do because most low density hair guides recommend little to no conditioning but I find my hair needs the moisture, but when I give it moisture it gets no cast. HELP!!

Routine: KITSCH rosemary shampoo , Curlsmith essential moisture conditioner. LA looks gel brush styled with bounce curl and then scrunched out the excess water with t shirt. hair is Diffused by hovering and then cupping

Never getting gel cast


[previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/curlyhair/s/knghzSr7bH)

i get messages about my previous post occasionally so i thought i’d make an update. i switched my birth control from yaz to tri-sprintec and i believe that made a noticeable change. other changes were using the “abbey young method”- specifically her steps of the epres pre-wash treatment, the living proof triple bond repair, the pantene pro-vitamin mist, and switching out my shampoo/conditioner for these bond repair ones. i tried to balance moisture and protein more as well. i’ve used the aphogee protein treatment or kitsch solid protein shampoo more often than i used to, and now just as needed.

i also saw a dermatologist who helped with my density loss (most likely telogen effluvium). i take viviscol supplements and alternate minoxidil and the cecred edge drops, from which i’ve seen a huge amount of new growth.

i think my roots are straighter now because my hair is fine/thin and the length is weighing it down.

my hair is now consistently turning out like this and overall feels strong and healthy. my curls are still way looser than they used to be but im not concerned about getting back to my og texture anymore- things change and im just happy to be where i am. my hair has been a huge part of my life/identity and while i miss the tight spirals i love my waves now!

routine:

\- wash: l’oréal metal detox clarifying shampoo, redken acidic bonding shampoo, rotate masks between pantene miracle and eliza vecca cer100, l’oréal bond repair conditoner. k18 every other week instead of mask/conditioner. detangle with tangle teezer.

\- style: on soaking wet hair, redken acidic bonding curls leave in, original denman brush, scrunch in curlsmith invincible volume mousse, prayer hands briogeo curl charisma gel. scrunch out extra moisture after mousse and after gel with t shirt, diffuse to 90% dry. break gel cast with l’oréal absolut repair molecular oil.

\- sleeping: loose pineapple with old loose headband, satin bonnet.

before and after breaking cast / update!


Hellooo. This is a long post. I've always worn my natural hair but I've been on a mission for definition probably a year now. The problem is I haven't made time for regular washes between more than 1-2 weeks with the excuse of school and life, and mostly wore it in a ponytail by day 3 hair. To go to sleep I have it in a pineapple (I plan on getting on Kitsch satin bonnet soon). My hair is coarse and low porosity. I never do refreshes.

About 2 weeks ago when I went to a convention I couldn't fit the wig for my cosplay over my hair, so I straightened it (only done it 2 times before) and tried the OGX Thermal Spray. I coated my hair quite generously, but it turned out that the spray only masked the frying smell until I wet it in the shower and didn't do anything to actually protect it :(

I soon found Abbey Yung's videos and started using Loreal Paris Sulfate Free Clarifying shampoo and Dove Bond Strength serum at least to help with the damage. After two washes this past week it definitely feels a lot better.

Right before the con I trimmed my hair in the shower with regular scissors (horrible, I know, and it was the first time in a year) so I'm not sure if that quickly affected how frizzy my hair looks. But even before this trim or the con, the frizz was apparent on upper front layers and it may have been from varying factors, maybe even sun damage.

My main goal is to start caring for my hair more often and hopefully find products that help define and repair but don't break the bank. Here's my routine pre and post convention.

Pre:

1. OGX Coconut Miracle Oil Shampoo (has Sodium C14-16 Olefin Sulfonate, which is the same as my clarifying shampoo)

2. OGX Coconut Milk Conditioner (I section and detangle in the shower, but my hair always felt straw like and I found through research that using coconut oil too often can actually dry out the hair. There's also isopropyl alcohol but I'm not as sure of its purpose).

3. African Pride Olive Miracle Leave-in (has good slip, but i'm not sure how much it's actually doing)

4. Shea Moisture Coconut and Hibiscus Gel

5. Hover blow dry on low heat, sometimes shots of high (I don't have a diffuser attachment yet, I'm thinking about the universal one from Rizos curls)

Post:

1. L'oreal Paris EverPure Sulfate-Free Clarifying Shampoo

2. Dove Bond Strength 10-in-1 serum

3. African Pride Olive Miracle Leave-in

4. I haven't used gel since I'm careful about repairing first

5. I let my hair air dry the 1st wash but hover blow dried on low for the 2nd.

The pictures you see are from day two of the second wash of the post-con routine. As for products I'm thinking of buying, I'm interested in the rizos curls Leave in and Strong Hold Gel though they're a bit pricier, and Dove Bond Strength shampoo and conditioners. I saw a tip that using oil while hair is still wet seals the cuticle better, so I might try that with my OGX Argan Oil. But let me know if they're not all up to hype.

Another thing to note is that during the con I ordered the WavyTalk Steamline Pro (marketed with negative ion technology and as "safer") and Silk Moisture Coconut Heat Protectant (recommended by my Aunt) to straighten my hair more often if I really can't spare time for a curly routine, but I haven't used it and I'm considering returning it. I really love my natural hair and would rather make more time nurturing it than possibly damaging it more.

Thank you all for your advice.

Looking for definition (3 b to 3 c hair)


Hi everyone, I wanted some advice for products. So I saw in the CG guide that it recommends using gel in the beginner routine (i'm a beginner), but the thing is I have a big forehead and I want my hair to cover it, so I'm assuming gel wouldn't be too good because it would hold my hair up. That being said, I was wondering if anyone knew any other products I could use instead that would help me? Currently I use SheaMoisture Hydrate + Repair conditioner and also their Hydrate + Repair shampoo. The only other product I've been using recently is kitsch Heat Protectant + Styling Mist. Currently, I shampoo twice a week and use conditioner every day. This is my routine in the shower: apply shampoo in my hair and use scalp massager. Then I rinse it out and put conditioner, and I leave it for about 2-3 minutes before rinsing it out. When I'm out of the shower, I very lightly dry my hair with a microfiber towel and then put the kitsch heat protectant and styling spray, and use a wide tooth comb to distribute it evenly. Then I blowdry my hair on low speed and warm temp and style as I dry it. I also wear a bonnet to sleep, but I don't have a refresh routine because I don't know how. If anyone has any advice  and/or products that would help my bangs fall over my forehead I would really appreciate it. Thank you!

advice


Hi all - I was hoping that I could get some advice about where to start with a routine to embrace my natural hair. Because of my immigration status, I am currently unable to work, so I have been hesitant to start trying out products in case they don't work for me and I waste money. I was hoping that some of you with similar hair to me could tell me what has worked for you! I have always been told that I have really thick hair and was teased about it a lot in school. I cut it off to a bob a while back, but now that it's long again I realize that I really love my hair and want to enhance it with a proper routine.

Current routine:
\- Volumizing Shampoo and Conditioner (Native)
\- Neutrogena T/Sal Therapeutic Shampoo - when my scalp feels like it needs it
\- Argan Milk Leave-in Conditioner (Kitsch) - as a detangler and on wet hair
\- Brush hair when wet with comb
\- Air dry hair
\- Yellow Star Oil - on dry hair when I want a bit more shine (I like how light this product is)
\- Batiste Dry Shampoo - between washes

Goals:
\- Understand a bit better what would work for my hair (I'm not sure about hair type or anything because there's different looking waves/curls in there)
\- More definition
\- More volume (I like the big hair look)
\- I will probably get a silk bonnet for sleeping because I tried a silk pillowcase and hated it lol

Side notes:
\- I have sensitive skin
\- I would prefer a more simple/low maintenance routine if possible.
\- I would like my hair to be soft because I get a bit overwhelmed by sensory stuff, so from my understanding that means probably no gel(?). I'm also a bit concerned about products weighing down my hair.
\- I'm down for getting a hair cut that would allow for more volume.
\- I have tried plopping my hair but I feel like it looks pretty much the same because my hair is just as wet as when I plopped it (even if I leave it for longer), perhaps because my hair is low porosity(?)

TIA and please lmk if there's any other info that would be helpful to know.

p.s. I love seeing the beautiful curls in this sub. It's like an art form the way you guys look after your hair!

Beginners Hair Routine Help!


recently I went to a salon and got two inches cut off my hair that I’ve been growing out for the past year. I felt it was a good choice since I had split ends and such, but I also got short layers since I have a good bit of shrinkage.

my hair is fine, but I have a lot of it, and makes medium to large sized ringlets. I’m struggling a lot with my hair looking full now and forming ringlets on the top layer. before the cut, it looked full and not like I have two strands of hair on my head 🙁

I’m mixed, so I have part arab hair texture and part white/greek german turkish whatever.

I just started using the Kitsch biotin conditioner for fine delicate hair as well as their coconut oil shampoo for curly hair. I’ve also been trying to implement a routine- I use the not your mother’s gel and mousse applied soaking wet, then diffuse and the light moroccan oil hair oil to break the cast.

I’ve also been reading about curl shock, and how cutting a bunch of hair at once can cause your curls to not remember their pattern, so if any tips on how to combat that or help it remember more I would appreciate.

to sleep, I’ve been using super small clips to pin my hair into a pineapple and then putting that into a satin bonnet.

I think the hairdresser was thinning out my bottom layer!!! I told them I didn’t wanna look like a mushroom but now I do 😭 considering just cutting it to be all shoulder length

Chopped ass haircut


I got a haircut, I added some much needed volume and tried some bangs. I am in need of some help with some products! I think I have 2C/3A hair. I’m currently using Kitsch but I’m not sure it is what I need. My hair is pretty fine and prone to some frizz.

Currently using:

Wash/conditioner:

1. Routine Wellness shampoo & conditioner. I started using this because my hair is thinning and I’ve noticed it helps a lot with this but not sure it’s helping in any other areas.

2. Amika hydro rush intense moisture hair mask with hyaluronic acid

Products:

1. Amika Superfruit Star Lightweight Hair Styling Oil - little bit more than a dime size, I go through sections and squish in.

2. Kitsch Moisturizing Argan Milk Leave-In Conditioner - 2-3 pumps, praying hands, squish in.

3. Kitsch Smoothing Air Dry Cream, squish into hair with praying hands. Usually about a nickel size amount.

I usually let it air dry or use a silk wrap towel to let it dry in there. I use a silk pillowcase when I sleep, I haven’t worn my hair up to sleep in a long time as I’m afraid of putting it up in a ponytail because I feel like that’s a big reason why my hair has thinned out a bit. It’s always been thin but during the entire pandemic and for a few years after I basically never left my hair down. I’ve tried a bonnet but can’t stand them over my ears and they seem to fall off if I don’t put them over my ears 😅

Got a haircut!! Need product recommendations.


Routine:

1. Washed with the generic Amazon brand shampoo, sometimes I use Nizoral
2. Detangled using Unbrush and Suave clarifying conditioner
3. Applied Aussie Instant Volume mousse (cheap and works great) using wide tooth comb and fingers
4. Diffused using Shark Speedstyle on low heat/speed and waited about 30 minutes for my hair to completely dry
5. Rubbed a few drops of Olaplex No. 7 and some Sol De Janeiro 62 on my palms and scrunched them in

I prefer to sleep with my hair loose on a Kitsch satin pillowcase, no bonnet or scrunchie.

Gonna keep growing it out for the foreseeable future. I posted on here about two years ago when my hair was much shorter and I first started really getting invested in haircare. I've included the photo from my first post and from today, maybe I'll post another update a few years in the future.

Hair update about two years later


Cowash only for almost a year and my curls were amazing at first. Then around eight months in everything went limp and undefined, even right after wash day. Thought I needed to switch styling products, tried different gels, different creams, nothing. Someone in a curl group suggested buildup and it clicked immediately.

Cowash doesn't remove product residue or hard water minerals the way a surfactant does. If you're using any styler with hold, that stuff layers on invisibly over months. My curls were suffocating.

Added the rice water bar from kitsch once a week alongside my regular cowash and yeah. Everything bounced back pretty quickly. Not anti cowash at all, it works for a lot of people, but if your curls are gradually losing life a gentle weekly cleanse might be the reset they need.

Current routine: Cowash days (2x week): as i am coconut cowash, squish to condish with suave essentials conditioner, scrunch in uncle funky's daughter curly magic, plop in a microfiber towel then air dry.
Clarifying day (1x week): kitsch rice water shampoo bar, same conditioner and styling as above.
Sleep on a satin pillowcase to keep things from getting wrecked overnight.

cowash only was great until it wasn't, adding a sulfate-free shampoo bar once a week fixed it


I cannot say exactly when, but within the last few months my hair is suddenly very frizzy. Photos don't really show but around hairline very short so I'm assuming this is breakage related? But I just don't understand why. I wear my hair tied back when I work out (2-3x per week) and maybe 1-2x per month all day.

For the last few years I've been using prose on wash days, which are 2-3x per week. Prose scalp mask/scrub, prose "clarifying" shampoo, prose curly conditioner. My scalp gets very grumpy unless I clarify, but I've assumed that's the problem so I've switched to luv ur curls shampoo. Idk how "clarifying" the prose is since prose said to use it every wash, not intermittently, and doesn't make sense to me that my hair would be super healthy after switching to it for years and then all of a sudden it's an issue, but hair is fickle so I'm open to it.

I use miche strengthen deep conditioner on occasion.

Hair is lowish porosity. I've colored my hair in the past, which you can see on the ends, but this is all new growth from a very short cut 1 year ago

I sleep on a mulberry silk pillow case (quince) and a satin bonnet (kitsch). Typically no refresh routine unless something went wrong overnight.
Full routine below - routine hasn't changed either. What is happening help pls!!

Prose scalp scrub
Luv ur curls shampoo
Squish to condish (prose or curlsmith scalp calming or curlsmith 3 in 1)
After skincare routine, rewet ends with water mixed with EvaNYC 10 in 1
Luv ur curls leave in all over
Section and bounce curl brush
Scrunch in Miche tropical anti-humidity gel per section, then once more all over
Pixie(?) diffuse until 50%ish dry

New frizz - why!?


I posted a while back of a hair win. I’ve been slowly getting my curls back after a couple years of damage and having to relearn my hair. Every month it’s just getting better and more healthy. This is another win for me!

I have low porosity curls and this is what has been working for me.

Routine:

\- About 15 minutes before my shower I use the Briogeo Scalp Revival Detox Spray. I use this once a week

\- In shower I use As I Am Rosemary Shampoo for my first wash. Then I use Garnier Whole Blends Honey Shampoo and Conditioner. I’ve recently switched back to using the Whole Blends shampoo and conditioner and my hair has been a million times better. I used to use it for years when I was in high school, up until I was about 20. I don’t know why I stopped. I guess I was just kind of “shopping around”. Finally came back and it was the best decision ever.

\- I can’t remember if I used a hair mask this day, but my favorite is the Matrix Food For Soft hair mask. I also like the Briogeo Repair Don’t Despair mask and the BondiBoost HG Miracle mask. I’ll do: As I Am Shampoo > Honey Shampoo > Hair Mask > Honey Conditioner. I also use the Rizo’s Curls Flexi Brush in the shower.

\- Out of the shower I used the Fenty Home Curl Cream. I praying hands about a pea to dime sized amount on each side. Brushed it through with my TangleTeezer. Then about two pumps of the Miche Gel-to-Foam Styling Mousse on each side and brushed it through again.

\- I sectioned my hair with alligator clips (Kitsch) and used the Bounce Curl Volume Brush. After styling I scrunched the excess water out with the Bread Beauty hair towel and plopped my hair with a hair plopping wrap I have. Kept it up for about 20 minutes then took it out to air dry the rest of the way.

\- There’s no cast to scrunch out, but if I want to use oil, I use the ones from Kerastase or Olaplex.

Posted some photos in the comments too! I’m also curious in what you guys think my curl type is? I know it doesn’t matter, but it’s fun/interesting to know.

Hair Update!!!


ROUTINE

Kitsch Rice Water Protein Solid Shampoo and Conditioner Set for Hair Growth I wash my hair every two - three days and I’ll brush through when I wash

I use shea moisture some time or mielle curling cream for both I just put them on after a shower or when my hair needs to be refreshed

I air dry or use a towel if going to bed but do nothing else to it

I have silk pillows and wear a bonnet

Please help me have consistent curls I want to get back to how they used to look

How can I make my curls pop


Nobody seems to have actually tested both back to back on the same hair so I did. One month pillowcase only, one month bonnet only, everything else identical.

Pillowcase: less frizz than cotton for sure, some definition preserved overnight, but I still woke up with one side flatter than the other depending on how I slept. Day three needed a heavy refresh. Bonnet: way better retention, both sides more even because curls aren't pressed against anything. Day three almost as good as day two. The catch is finding one that stays on, first two I tried slid off by 3am.

The kitsch bonnet has an adjustable edge that grips without being tight, so I use that plus the satin pillowcase as backup when it shifts. That combo beat either one alone.

Routine: wash every 4 days sulfate free, condition with not your mother's curl talk, style with uncle funky's daughter curly magic gel, diffuse. Overnight protection as above. Refresh mornings with spray bottle and scrunched in gel.

satin pillowcase vs bonnet for curly hair, tested both for a month each


My hair gets really frizzy straight out of the shower, and my bangs dry in genuinely 5-6 minutes. My hair is EXTREMELY DEHYDRATED. and nothing I’ve used has worked. Can anyone recommend a leave in conditioner and a hair mask to try?? It’s wavy with some curls throughout, I have no clue what to classify it as.

My routine is like this:

-wash 2-3 times a week with garnier fructis sleek and shine
-dry with a towel (I have tried blow drying and I have tried a t shirt. No difference)
-kitsch Argan milk leave in
-sometimes I use sleek and shine oil, it doesn’t help
I don’t do much for it honestly, I used to do more but it was still the same.

I’m thinking of trying Redken all soft again. A while ago when I dyed my hair (this was 4 years ago) it worked well for me, but I think I bought it a year ago and it didn’t work as well. My hair feels dry and rough and idk what to do anymore.

Km also considering Aussie moist, nexxus amino bond, and mielle strengthening shampoo, but rosemary oil has never done anything for me. Argan oil does nothing. It seems like no ingredients do anything. I didn’t really figure my hair type out until recently, so.

I’ve never used a hair mask, but I’ve used mousses and they didn’t do much for me either.

I straighten my bangs sometimes and that’s absolutely the only heat I use. I use a heat protectant, and for the longest time went without it and had the same issues still.

high porosity hair is extremely dehydrated and frizzy, what can I use?


Does anyone have this blow dryer and have a wall mount? I've been keeping it in the box since I got it but it's taking up too much space. Would love to be able to hang it up where it's easy to use and put away.

Current routine:
1. SheaMoisture shampoo, Aveda be curly advanced conditioner
2. Not Your Mother's oil, wide tooth comb, Not Your Mother's lotion
3. Air dry or use this dryer
4. I love Kitsch satin pillow cases and satin covered scrunchies

CURLSMITH De-Frizzion Dryer - Looking for wall mount options


I just got my hair cut because I am trying to grow it out and I don’t really know how to style it at this length - it feels like my waves/curls don’t really stick around once dry. My hair just feels kind of blah and frizzy. I would like to leave it wavy/curly most of the time to avoid heat damage.

Current Routine:

\- Washed hair with shampoo and conditioner.

\- I then hold my head over the sink and while scrunching cold water into it added deva curl wave maker cream and the light defining gel too.

\- then I used a t-shirt to scrunch the extra liquid out of it and let my hair air dry the rest of the way.

\- once dry I used a little bit of it’s a 10 serum to remove any crunchiness and try to smooth out any frizz.

\- shampoo brand ouai for thick hair

\- conditioner brand redken all soft leave in conditioner.

I just got a satin pillowcase from kitsch to try to protect my hair at night better. I also wash my hair max of 2-3 times a week.

How do I style this? How do I get nicer looking curls?


Looking for product suggestions for my long, fine, wavy hair.

# Routine:

**Products:**

SheaMoisture Curl & Shine Shampoo and Conditioner— I use them as follows about 2-3x/week:

\- I double wash with the shampoo, using a scalp brush to massage the shampoo into my scalp and again to make sure the shampoo is fully rinsed.

\- Next, I use the conditioner using the S2C method. I don’t currently apply the conditioner to my scalp; I scrunch up to my scalp but don’t directly apply the conditioner to my scalp.

\- I wait about 2 minutes after applying the conditioner, then brush my hair with a wide tooth comb.

\- I wait about 5 minutes before fully rinsing the conditioner out by scrunching under running water — I’ve seen some suggestions about leaving some conditioner (not fully rinsing), but I feel like I need to fully rinse it (out of habit because I tend to need to wash it sooner if I don’t) - please lmk your thoughts on this.

\- I then brush it again with the wide tooth comb while my hair is still soaking wet.

—— I did just order a Kitsch Detangler Brush, which reviews said is good for wavy/curly hair. - I’ll update once I use it!

\- I then rinse it once more directly under the water, then scrunching again before getting out of the shower.

**Drying:**

\- I squeeze & scrunch excess water out of my hair as I’m getting out of the shower.

\- I then use a microfiber towel wrap to dry it- I scrunch it to dry it most of the way, then plop it in the microfiber towel and leave it for about 10 to 20 minutes (depends how much time I have lol).

\- I always end up combing through it with my fingers after plopping so it’s not as wild.. not sure if that impacts my results.

**Styling:**

\- I don’t do anything to style it (the most I do is braid it/comb through with my fingers).

\- I don’t add additional products to it (since it gets weighed down easily).

\- I never feel like diffusing/blow drying it, so I’d prefer no-heat ideas.

**Protection while sleeping:**

\- I use a silk pillow case.

\- I also just ordered a silk bonnet to hopefully help with frizz, as my hair tends to get a lot more frizzy by day 2-3 of not washing it.

**Refresh/General info:**

\- I don’t use any products/have a refresh routine currently. All I do is comb through it with my fingers or brush it with a wide tooth comb (I try to avoid brushing if I can though because it makes my hair more frizzy).. suggestions for this are much appreciated too!

\- My hair is usually type 2a immediately after washing (based on my understanding anyway, please see pics), but by day 2 to 3, my waves are much less defined and the frizz takes over.

All that being said, what suggestions do you all have to combat frizz and help my waves last longer between washes (products, hair care ideas, etc)? Is there anything I am doing that may be impacting my results?

Pics show my hair the day I washed it and then day 2-5 hair

Thanks in advance !!

Additional info: I tried to add links from amazon for the scalp massager, brush, and silk bonnet, but my post was automatically removed due to issues with the link- I’ll try to link in the comments if the sub allows me to.

Product suggestions for my wavy hair?


Can we talk about how every overnight curls protection method seems designed for people with like... perfect ringlets that magically stay in place? Pineappling gives me flat roots and weird kinks at the ponytail line, silk scarves slide off my head within an hour of falling asleep (even the ones with ties, idk how), braids leave me with a texture that looks nothing like my actual curl pattern.

I've been doing a loose gather at the crown into a satin bonnet and it's the first method that doesn't completely destroy my definition by morning, though I did have to try like four different bonnets before finding one that actually stays on my head. The one from kitsch has been good, double layered and doesn't slide around.

aaand this is my wash day routine for context: I cleanse with the kitsch rice water bar, condition with mielle pomegranate and honey, scrunch in aussie instant freeze while soaking wet, diffuse to maybe 80% dry then air dry the rest. Sleep with fully dry hair only, that's been key... wet or even damp hair in a bonnet is a frizz disaster waiting to happen. Morning refresh is just a light water mist and scrunching, sometimes a tiny bit more kinky curly gel if things are really flat.

an overnight curls preservation method that actually keeps my pattern intact


My hair has been getting pretty thin the past year from vitamin deficiencies and anemia. I just feel like its so stringy on the ends (especially when its curly) but I don't want to straighten it either.

This is my hair after routine washing with Loreal shampoo/conditioner, then using Kitsch Air dry cream and letting it air dry. My hair is ALWAYS dry and I can't seem to EVER get rid of the frizz. I've tried so many products and nothing seems to help. I compared my hair to a picture of it from last year and just can't stop wanting to get it cut short for how thin it looks now.

Any tips or similar stories?

Is this able to be fixed or should I get a shorter haircut?


hi y'all! recently i purchased a new shampoo and i was wondering if it was safe to use regularly, if i should use it only sometimes or if i shouldn't use it at all. (picture of the shampoo ingredients included).

i was thinking it might be clarifying as it has both sodium laureth sulfate and sodium lauryl sulfate, but i also saw it contains dimethiconol... i'm unsure if this is similar to dimethicone? i purchased it to use regularly as i tend to put products on my hair (curl cream, hair gel, mousse + hair oil) and i don't want my hair to look greasy or weighed down and i want to get rid of product build up from the get go, but i'm afraid that by using it regularly i might be drying out my hair, causing frizz or damaging it.

pardon the frizzy (day 4) hair! i tried to refresh it and did it wrong lmao, it normally doesn't look this frizzy on day 4 but i'm planning on washing tomorrow as i recently purchased a new bonnet (the other one was too big for me... might use that one when i have more hair as i want to grow it out a lot more) and it's getting here tomorrow as well! i'm low porosity, and i believe medium to high density and medium texture.

my routine (sorry if some of the ingredients are in spanish, i'm not a chemist and idk how to translate the ingredients to english and could only find them in spanish):

* i wait for all my hair to get wet, then i wash my scalp with the *herbal essences anti-frizz lavender & almond oil shampoo* (ingredients on first picture), using only my fingers. i apply most product to the back of my scalp, some to the sides, and then the rest to the front. i then rinse it out, and i repeat this step twice.
* i put the *herbal essences anti-frizz lavender & almond oil conditioner* on my mids and ends and let it sit there for 5-15 minutes (i'm trying to squish-to-condish and i think i'm doing it right?), i detangle with the conditioner still on using a wet brush, starting from the ends and then moving up towards the roots, after i'm finished with detangling i rinse the conditioner out.
   * **CONDITIONER INGREDIENTS:** Aqua, Stearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Bis-Aminopropyl Dimethicone, Cetyl Alcohol, Parfum, Benzyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Disodium Edta, Limonene, Hexyl Cinnamal, Citric Acid, Hydroxycitronellal, Linalool, Citronellol, Benzyl Salicylate, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis Oil, Citral, Lavandula Angustifolia Flower Extract, Benzyl Benzoate, Coumarin, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone.
* after finishing that, i make sure my hair is pretty wet to add more products. i section my hair and apply curl cream, specifically the *herbal essences defined curls & anti-frizz curl cream*, and after i'm done putting it on my mids and ends (+ the bangs) via raking and using the praying hands method, then i scrunch.
   * **CURL CREAM INGREDIENTS:** Agua, Dimethicone, Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cetyl Alcohol, Quaternium-18, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sorbitan Caprylate, Benzyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Parfum, Peg-2m, Cetearyl Alcohol, Oleyl Alcohol, Glyceryl Stearate, Citric Acid, Polysorbate 60, Hexyl Cinnamal, Zea Mays Silk Extract, Prunus Serotina Fruit Extract, Orchis Mascula Flower Extract.
* i section my hair again, and i apply mousse on my roots and ends, scrunching it into my hair. i used the *aqua net perfect curls mousse*, but this next wash way i'm switching it up to the *herbal essences curly hair mousse* as i don't feel like the aqua net mousse makes my hair look as voluminous as i would like it to be... and back when i started on my curly hair journey i used the *herbal essences perfect waves mousse* and i felt like it made my hair look good, so i thought of switching back to their products but this time using one meant for curly hair.
   * **CURRENT MOUSSE INGREDIENTS:** Aqua, Isobutane, Propane, Polyquaternium-4, Cetet 10, Copolímero de Octacrilamida / Acrilato / Butilaminoetil Metacrilato, DMDM Hidantoína, PEG-40 Aceite de Castor Hidrogenado, Dimethicone, Fragancia, Lauret-4, Aminometil Propanol, Ácido cítrico y Extracto de Cacao Theobroma.
   * **FUTURE MOUSSE INGREDIENTS:** Aqua, Propane, Butane, Isobutane, Polyquaternium-11, Polyquaternium-4, Phenoxyethanol, Laureth-23, Isoceteth-20, 1,2-Hexanediol, Caprylyl Glycol, Parfum, Peg/Ppg-18/18 Dimethicone, Limonene, Hexyl Cinnamal.
* finally, i section for the final time, brush through my hair using an old brush that looks like a denman brush (unsure as to what brush it actually is, but it's pretty much a 9 row denman brush, picture attached as well). after brush styling it, i apply the *xtreme lady gel* using the praying hands method and then scrunching. i'm thinking of switching this up a little and applying the gel before i brush through because it might be easier for me? idk.
   * **GEL INGREDIENTS:** Aqua (Water, Eau), Triethanolamine, Carbomer, Glycerin, Phenoxyethanol, Polyacrylic Acid, Parfum (Fragance), Tetrasodium EDTA, Hydrolyzed Keratin, Chitosan Succinamide, Polyquatemium-10, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Sodium Polyacrylate, Citronellol, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Linalool, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, Geraniol, Methoxycinnamidopropyl Hydroxysultaine, Pantenol, Ext. Violet 2 (CI 60730), Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice.
* after ALL THAT, i diffuse my hair! i use medium heat and high speed because i just don't have the time to diffuse all my hair... it normally takes me TOO LONG if i diffuse on medium speed so... i hover diffuse my roots while switching up my head position (upside down, sides, leaning back...), then begin hover diffusing my ends and mids after my roots have dried up a little. after my roots are pretty dry i press the diffuser up to my roots and move it in a circular motion slightly to get more volume. when i feel a cast is at least somewhat formed i begin cup diffusing and scrunching my hair slightly. i keep doing that until my hair is all dry.
* i don't usually break the cast, as i go to sleep with it on. i tie my hair up in a loose pineapple bun and i put on my bonnet (i use the *xl kitsch bonnet* but i'm switching it up to the *yanibest silk bonnet* in size large because the kitsch bonnet is currently too big for my hair).
* when i wake up i use the *ogx renewing argan oil of morocco extra penetrating oil*, (i used to use the *kerashine silica pretherapy argan treatment*, but i switched two days ago as i felt it didn't do anything to tame the frizz and i had finally run out), i do the prayer hands method through the mids and ends of my hair, and then i fluff out my roots gently using my fingers!

i believe that is everything... i don't usually refresh, as when i try i tend to do it wrong and haven't gotten the hang of how to refresh lmao.

is this shampoo considered clarifying?


Hi! The first photo is my hair right after finishing washing and styling from the shower. The second photo is 7 hours later. How can I maintain the definition of the first pic? My hair always seems to lose the wave over time, and I can never keep it overnight no matter what I try.

My wash routine today was:

1. Shampoo twice with V&Co Wavy Shampoo

2. Condition once with V&Co Wavy Conditioner and scrunch it in

3. Spray NYM Curl Talk leave in conditioner to my ends

4. Run a tiny amount of Prose curl cream (dime sized) through my hair

5. Define sections using a bounce curl brush

6. Ouai wave spray in each section and scrunch it in

7. Run NYM curl talk level 3 gel through my hair and scrunch

8. Scrunch out most of the water with a microfiber towel

8. Plop for 5-10 minutes with a Kitsch microfiber towel

9. Diffuse until mostly dry

10. Once fully dry, scrunch out the (slight) crunch with a little bit of Olaplex #7 oil

This routine is just not sustainable for me. Between the length of time it takes and the fact that it leaves my hair looking stringy and feeling a bit product-y by the end of the day, it just isn’t suitable long term. My usual routine if I’m styling my hair is 1 (except I only shampoo once usually), 2, 3, 6, 9. Otherwise I air dry and don’t put product in besides the leave in.

Any advice would be really appreciated, TIA!

Having trouble keeping definition in my wavy hair- help!


I have pretty dense hip-length 2A hair. I'm getting the Moonstone Seven targeted ads, and I'm intrigued. But I'm interested to see if anyone with a similar routine uses this, and how they like it.

I shower style my hair--my hair is still dripping water when I plop. I current cycle between 2 towels: an XL Kitsch microfiber, and a Perfect Hair Day towel. The Kitsch sucks out a lot more water, but I have to be careful because if I plop too long, my cast won't form and my hair frizzes. I can plop longer with the PHD, but it also doesn't suck up as much water. With my hair plopped, I'll basically jam the microplop towels on top to try and pull more water out of the plop.....and my hair is still far wetter and takes far longer to dry when compared to the Kitsch.

My main concern is that the Moonstone Seven will suck up even less water than the PHD.

So I'm interested to see if anyone with a similar situation has tried the Moonstone Seven plop, and how it worked for them?

Obligatory routine:

condition-wash-condition (mask). Sometimes leave-in, sometimes not.

Shower style. Current favorites are Treluxe serum with NYM Flash Freeze gel. Glaze with hands,  pulse it in.

Plop in microfiber \~15 minutes. Diffuse until cast forms, pixie until crispy. Lil' hairspray.

Leave in cast as long as possible--preferably about 18 hours.

Pineapple/silk pillowcase to sleep. Pineapple and claw clip for most of the day. Steam refresh.

Moonstone Seven plop with shower-styled long hair?


Hi all, I'm struggling to find something to protect my hair while sleeping. I guess lack the coordination required to get my hair into a bonnet without completely destroying it, and there's too much space for my hair anyway so it doesn't really do much to protect it. I feel like I'm just wearing a big satin pillowcase.

I've been alternating buffs and the BamBonn, because they're WAY easier to put on, but they both feel too tight on my hairline at my forehead. What would be great is something similar in design, with an adjustable band and an open top, preferably satin lined, similar to the Kitsch Satin Lined Flexi Shower Cap. Does such a thing exist?

Routine (2x/week):

1. Shampoo & condition with NYM Naturals (various) or V&Co Wave Babe.
2. Curlsmith Weightless Air Dry Cream.
3. Curlsmith In-Shower Style Fixer OR The Doux Bananas OR Ecoslay Orange Marmalade OR some other strong hold gel OR Cake Curl Whip mousse, raked and scrunched through soaking wet hair. I might comb through with a wide tooth comb (I don't brush style).
4. Plop with Perfect Haircare Towel for 10 min.
5. Diffuse.
6. Scrunch, with or without oil.
7. I wash my hair 2-4x a week. When I air dry, I might use a light mousse, curl cream, or gel, but it's easier and faster to just let it dry with no product until it turns to floof, then smooth it out with some cream, serum, or oil.
8. Clarify with Paul Mitchell Shampoo Two/deep condition (still looking for a deep conditioner I like) every 2 weeks.
9. Bambonn or buff at night.
10. Refresh with water only or with a small amount of product used on wash day only if it's bad enough - getting hair wet usually does not improve the situation.

Something like a buff for sleep protection but with more space?


My curls are actually holding today (day three) I have been minimal with product in my routine
and I used the Aztec clay mask and it really helped. I also plan on growing out my layers. I use a shampoo bar from kitsch and I used a tiny amount of leave in from mixed chicks. I use not your mother’s curl cream and eco gel for my hair. I use these minimally and I scrunch style

Curl progress


First two pics are day 1, third and fourth pics are day 2.

After I wash my hair, my curls have great definition and great volume! Apart from some random strands that don't cooperate, it comes out great! The back sometimes has weird shaped, though. When I sleep on it, however, its MUCH worse. A lot of my curls lose definition and become long strands of hair with slight curls on the ends. This is especially noticeable on the top of my head. The back gets this awkward and uneven shape with it too. What can I do? And what shape should I even be going for?

I sleep on a Kitsch satin pillowcase, wearing a Kitsch XL bonnet.

I wash my hair every 2-3 days.

I start by drenching my hair with water, brushing it all back (even my scalp hair) to detangle. Afterwards, I rub in Not Your Mother's Curl Talk shampoo. I wash it out by rubbing the same way. Next, I use three pumps of  NYM Curl Defining conditioner on my mids and ends (enough that it feels like slimy seaweed). I put some on the ends of my scalp hair and bangs as well. Wait 5 minutes, then wash for 10 seconds. I then brush my hair back and shake my roots, doing this multiple times and applying a different product each time. First it's Curlsmith Feather-Light Curl Cream, then it's NYM Mousse, and finally it's NYM Medium-Hold Gel. After this, I use a microfiber cloth to get out the moisture, then apply some gel again. Finally, I hover diffuse upside-down for 10 minutes, Pixie diffuse upside-down for 12 minutes, and side diffuse for 12 minutes. After this is all done, I scrunch out the crunch with Redken anti-frizz oil. Lastly, I flip my hair upside-down again and shake it for volume.

Thank you for reading, and thank you for your help!

On day one, my scalp hair has good shape. On day two, it falls flat, loses definition, and has wonky shape. How can I prevent this?


Hello, I'm brand new to this curly hair thing and don't know where to start. My hair used to be only vaguely wavy, but when I started taking testosterone (I am a trans man), it became a lot more curly, and I have no idea what to do with it.

It varies a lot in how curly it is from day to day (I don't know why), and when it is very curly, it's often uncontrolled and very frizzy. (The pictures are one day when my hair is very curly, one day when it is more straight).

I worry about following vague routines online because I have short hair, so I don't know what product would actually help me (I don't want to grow it out).

Currently, I do the same thing I did before my hair changed:

Kitsch shampoo and conditioner (rosemary and biotin) every other day in the shower.

I don't use any other products or special things like bonnets, but I do always air-dry my hair (after an initial towel dry, so it's not soaking), and I tend to scrunch it up using my hands while it's wet.

I would rather not have to buy a lot of products (I'm a college student, so money is, in fact, a problem), I'd rather have slightly worse hair than a hole in my pocket.

Where to start?


I abandoned the curly routine and am just starting again. I'm going to tackle it differently than I have in the past and I can't wrap my head around finger coiling (I have DENSE, long hair and it's weirdly intimidating to go into wrong)

My curls seem to all go in random directions, but I'm seeing tutorials saying it doesn't matter which direction you go for most strands and most will be happy either way. What??? Somehow I saw it, but I can't compute it.

I've never had success clumping my hair how it wants to and I don't want to accidentally poorly train my hair. Are some patterns not a good fit ? Can I train my hair to all go where I want? Does it somehow really not matter can your hair can flip flop?

Currently washing with Kitsch shampoo bar and switch conditioners pretty frequently but am using shea moisture right now. Dry brushing and applying jojoba oil before shower to the lengths and tips, a small amount afterwards and Aussie lock gel.

Got a shag cut and suddenly my whole head is curly!!! Excited but lost haha.

Fingering coiling directions just twisting me up.


(Photo one is my hair now, the rest are my hair before)
I have super fine curly hair. Any kind of conditioner weighs it down. It’s been so flat for a year or so. I used to have super curly hair. Every one has told me that my pattern has just changed, but I don’t think so. My curls couldn’t have just changed suddenly.

I use a bar shampoo, it’s kitsch. I have only been using conditioner on dry pieces and in small amounts. I use the bounce curl brush, tangle teezer and shea moisture curl cream. What should I do? Pls recommend routine.

What do I do


This is after letting it air dry to about 80% then scrunching it with my hands for about 30 seconds with no products. It holds relatively well but I’m curious if I was to use the right products if I could achieve even more defined waves.

I have fine, highlighted hair that gets tangled easily, and if I put a brush through this it’ll just stay straight. Not sure if this is a hair issue or product issue.

Routine: I use olaplex #3 every two weeks, shampoo every 2 days with kitsch rice shampoo bar and condition with whatever I have on hand. Jojoba oil if my ends are feeling dry.

Is my hair wavy? Products recs?


Over the past year I’ve been dabbling with sulphates and silicones again after YEARS of strict CGM. My scalp had terrible buildup, and my hair always felt weighed down and not so nice. I first started by using the Garnier Honey Treasures line and was amazed! My hair was so shiny, soft, and bouncy again. However, I was still wary of buildup and other issues with using silicones again, so I’d only use it every now and then.

After a while I wanted to try and use more natural products again, not because I was struggling with my hair (it was still so nice!), but because I was so attached to CGM. I felt weird about using the “bad” ingredients even though they were working just fine.

After focusing on CGM approved products again, I noticed I was having a rough time with my shampoos. My roots would feel extremely stripped. They felt dry and stiff even under the running water. I found this so confusing as I thought I was using “gentle” sulphate free products. (I tried Renpure, Pantene, AG care, Design Me, some Herbal Essences, Kitsch shampoo bars, etc. All sulphate free).

I figured a shampoo with sulphates was only going to make that problem worse as they’re supposedly much more harsh. However, I decided to give Garnier another try, this time with the Honey Water line.
And WOW. The shampoo only contains one sulphate (I think?) and it felt so amazing while I washed my hair. It didn’t feel stripped at all. It felt moisturized! And the lather was amazing too!

Compared to Honey Treasures, the Honey Water conditioner does not contain silicones, yet the slip was the same if not better. It has a lovely thickness to it and felt so nice in my hair. And what’s more, the matching leave in cream has no silicones either! I used all three and my hair feels incredible. Soft, shiny, and bouncy all over again. Even though the shampoo isn’t strictly CGM due to the sulphates, I like that the rest of the formula is silicone free.

Anyways, just wanted to share this. I’ve been spending lots of money over time trying so many products… and sometimes it really is just that cheap drug store combo that makes your hair pop.

Routine

1. Shampoo: Garnier Whole Blends Honey Water Shampoo

2. Conditioner: Garnier Whole Blends Honey Water Conditioner

3. Leave-in: Garnier Whole Blends Honey Water Leave-in Cream

4. Gel: Innersense I Create Hold

Before getting out of the shower, I run my hair under the water and immediately put in the leave-in so it’s as wet as possible. I get out of the shower, then I rake in the Innersense gel and scrunch. I’ll also spritz more water in my hair to get that good squishy sound when I scrunch. Then I finish off by diffusing.

Garnier Honey Water is amazing?!?


Today's wash day routine:

Products:
* Shampoo - Kitsch with rice water protein (did not use prewash oil today)
* Conditioner - Kitsch with rice water protein
* Leave in product - Kevin Murphy SMOOTH.AGAIN

Process notes:
* Rub shampoo bar around the scalp to work a light lather
* Work conditioner bar through the hair focusing on the lower parts, make sure hair is sopping and scrunch product in. Leave in while finishing shower, rinse
* Before drying hair, finger comb anti frizz product
* Twist into t-shirt while finishing getting ready
* Air dry

Pictures taken at the end of the day, except for the wet hair which was taken right after the full routine

[Re Comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wavyhair/s/qKh8XwLJ05)

Sharing my routine to follow up on a comment


I think I've always had wavy/curly hair, but I never took care of it. I'm 18 now, and since my hair is healthier than it's been in about well over a decade it's desperately trying to curl.

(I've described my current routine below, and I know it's dreadful, but it's mainly due to my skin/scalp being so sensitive that I've been very hesitant to try anything new.)
\- I wet my hair with warm water and use Kitsch "Ultra Sensitive Shampoo & Body Wash Bar Fragrance Free" on my roots and wash it out.
\- I use Davines "MOMO conditioner" on all but the roots (with my head upside down to prevent it irritating my neck skin), and massage and finger comb it into my hair, before rinsing it out with warm water.
\- I scrunch out as much water as I can for a few minutes and put my hair up in Kitsch bamboo hair towel (and leave it while I wash my body, which I do second to wash any irritating products off my skin).
\- After I come out of the shower (by now the thinnest areas of hair are dry) I apply one pump of Paul Mitchell "Clear Sensitive Smoothing Serum" (I warm it up in my hand and scrunch it into my ends).
\- I dry my hair fully with the Shark "STYLE iQ Ionic Hair Dryer & Styler" with the concentrator attachment and on the lowest heat setting and highest airflow setting.
\- I usually wash my hair every 3 days, but sometimes leave it a bit longer.
\- I brush my hair with a wooden paddle brush from Aveda a few times a day.
\- The only way I tend to style it is by tying it in a very low and loose ponytails or clip it up with a claw clip and both with a snap clip on either side of my head to get my baby hairs out of my face.
\- I also sleep on a satin pillow case.

As you can guess, my hair is a frizzy mess. The length, by the way, is a few inches past shoulder length, but I am growing it out.
Whenever I've seen my hair air dried it is definitely not straight, and my load of baby hairs remain pretty obviously curly even after being very brushed out and mildly straightened by my hairdryer. I would guess my curl type is 2B to 2C from that, but obviously it would likely be up to 3A when taken care of.
I tried my best to figure out my hair density and prorosity and would say they are both medium, but slightly more to the side of high.

Any recommendations are very welcome! I'm really just looking for an entire new routine. For any products, middle to low price range please, and I'm from the UK so affordable delivery here is necessary. If there's any information I've missed that would be useful, just let me know.
Thank you for just reading this!

Please help me finally find a routine and products that work for me! UK


I have 2b/2c/3a waves depending on the day. My hair is coarse, low porosity, and generally feels dry.

Routine: Kitsch Tea Tree/Mint clarifying shampoo/condtioner OR Kitsch Argan shampoo/conditioner

Ouidad Advanced climate Heat/Humidity gel on soaking hair, scrunch

Occasionally: Kitsch Argan leave in.

Wash, condition, apply gel, squeeze out water, plop, then air dry

Every time I go to a salon (rarely…I let it grow then donate) in I’m told that my hair is dry, and I can see it too. However. My waves look their best, regardless of length, even without any gel or product, when I clarify, DON’T condition, and I just clump and scrunch and plop for a while.

What gives? I’m Caucasian and perimenopausal, which I guess is relevant since my waves really came out in puberty and changed during pregnancy and postpartum. I haven’t used any protein treatments or products at home but I’ve been told that my hair likes protein. It’s super flat in soft water but super frizzy in hard water, and is completed unpredictable in humid weather but looks terrific if I get rained on.

So essentially my hair doesn’t and never has followed the typical “rules” of how waves/curls behave. Anybody have any insight?

Waves/curls look worst when coddled?


I have very fine hair that has always had some waviness to it (Irish curls is a new term I recently learned?). Since my hair is starting to thin more (😳) I’m trying to take better care of it and I want to better embrace my natural texture without this stringiness.

Current routine: I use the kitsch rosemary shampoo and conditioner bars, apply 3 drops of rosemary scalp oil to my scalp and ends, Verb Ghost heat protectant for fine hair, Kristen Ess weightless leave in conditioner and thickening sprays and sometimes Ouai wave spray as I did prior to drying here. I’m trying diffusing but I’m terrible at it and so far it hasn’t made much more difference than air drying. I’ve tried using some wave/curl specific products but they end up being too heavy or create more separation that it’s almost worse.

Is there something glaring that I’m doing wrong or should be doing instead? I’ve never been able to get any sort of clumping and I just hate how sad and stringy it looks here. Any advice is appreciated!

Fine hair ends up stringy and frizzy


My whole life I had thought I only had slightly wavy hair, and even then, I had no idea how to embrace my waves or maintain them. But I never had any curl clumps- only on the slight occasion.

My two best friends are curly curly curly girls and they shared with me their tips and tricks and product suggestions and I stated the journey of embracing my natural hair. I think I am 2b-2c.

WHAT A DIFFERENCE. however, I'm still struggling to hone in on my go to products. My routine currently: I shampoo with Malibu clarifying shampoo, every 3 days or so. After shampooing, I don't condition and just use a little NYM curl talk curl cream. I then use big sexy hair, root pump plus in my roots, and use NYM curl talk curl foam. I plop my hair in a T-shirt for 10, and diffuse on low heat, low fan, with my shark blow-dryer. When it's almost all the way dry, I spray with Kendra, alcohol free hairspray.

For sleep, I have a kitsch satin pillow scarf and I plop it on the top of my head.

To refresh in the AM, I spray a bit of NYM whipped cream into a continuous mister spray bottle, add with water and shake and saturate and rediffuse.

I am finding that my hair is feeling really dry when I do the routine above for another wash. but, when I add Nexxus humectress conditioner to a wash after that, it is too weighty and I do not get bounce or ringlets. I'm not sure what the middle ground is.

I don't wanna spend a million dollars in trial and error products, so was wondering what worked for y'all!

Thank you!

I thought my hair was scraggly with only a slight wave.. surprise!!! and help!


I recently discovered that my hair looks good after wrapping it up in an old tshirt until mostly dried. I don't plop the way it's usually demonstrated but I wrap it around if that makes sense. I did this on a few nights when I wasn't actually styling my hair and found i really like the look of the looser curl and the frizz I usually battle is much better.

The problem is that my hair gets wonky applying the gel first (even plopping the traditional way) and when I take the shirt off and spritz water to apply gel after it tightens the curls and the frizz is back. I honestly don't mind some frizz but my hair struggles to make it to day 3 and refreshing has never gone well.

I really want a styling product I can add to slightly damp/mostly dried hair to keep the freshly taken off T-shirt look and avoid too much fluff.

I have thick, coarse 3B curls with high porosity in the front and top layer and low porosity throughout the rest. This combo has made drying historically hard and wrapping it up has been amazing at allowing it to dry evenly. I know this seems like a lot of random info but I'm not looking for ways to avoid the frizz with my tighter curls, just looking for something that'll give me hold after plopping.

Current routine:

kitsch coconut oil bar shampoo, Giovanni 50/50 or Aussie 3 minute miracle conditioner, kckt leave in, argan oil, cream(varies depending on what my hair needs). Then I usually use mousse at the roots and gel.

Styling product that I can apply to dried hair?


Please people help me , which products are the best to be used in Florida’s humidity .I just want a leave in hair spray and a gel .I don’t like using more products , my hair strands are thin and weighs down easily.Thank you in advance 🙏🏽

Routine
Kenra moisturising shampoo
Kitsch shampoo bar
Any conditioner

Help needed -Products for Florida!


No wonder I always thought my hair was flat lol. I have fine, lowish porosity, medium density, very soft hair. I’m still learning and some days are better than others, but I think it will keep getting better over time.

Wash routine: wash hair twice a week; brush hair before shower; double shampoo (kitsch rosemary and biotin shampoo, undogoo clarifying once a week); NO conditioner, only use a spritz of milkshake leave in; use wide toothed comb in shower; rinse out leave in.
After shower, on wet hair: in sections, do not brush, scrunch in ouidad advanced climate control mousse and NYM gel; spray all over with hairspray (currently using Argan Magic); diffuse dry; scrunch when completely dry.

If anyone has similar hair type and has any tips please let me know! Fine hair is really fickle.

Unstyled vs styled


Here is my routine. I've been using Kitsch Rice Shampoo and Conditioner. I start putting product in as soon as I get out of the shower. For styling I've been using Miss Jessie's Curly Pudding, Not Your Mother's Curl Talk Mousse, and Not Your Mother's Curl Talk Sculping Gel. My Hair always looks like it's wet/greasy after hair drying. I've took the quiz on here for hair porosity and I think it's low. My hair without products is frizzy and poofy. I've watched dozens of tiktoks and I'm overwhelmed! Any help is appreciated!

Need Help With Routine & Products!


So I’m just learning that I have a mix of 2c and 3a curls. How am I supposed to put it in a bun? I feel like this is a silly question but ChatGPT told me to bunch it up at the top of my head and then throw a scrunchie on. People with the same curl patterns, what do you do?

Routine:
Kitsch Tea Tree Clarifying Shampoo or Kitsch Rice Protein Water Shampoo

Kitsch Shea Butter Conditioner (or Living Proof Restore Hair Mask for deep conditioning)

Kinky-Curly Knot Today Leave-in Conditioner
Not Your Mother’s Curl Talk Curl Cream

Help with sleep hair routine


hey everyone! unfortunately i have to take a medication that's making my hair fall out. i've read about ketoconazole for hair growth, but it also said it's bad for curly hair. i don't want to start minoxidil because apparently once you stop it, all the new growth falls out. i've seen some ads for kitsch (the rice water protein shampoo and conditioner) but there's limited science to back it up so i want to get some input before i spend my money. thanks!!

my routine:
1. shampoo neutrogena clarifying shampoo (maybe once every 10 days to clarify)
2. shampoo nym green matcha apple blossom every 3 days
3. condition nym green matcha apple blossom every 3 days
4. scrunch homemade flaxseed gel for hold

is there a curly hair-friendly product that promotes hair growth?


I’ve been dying my hair for ten years and I’ve noticed my hair curls but doesn’t hold a curl for more than like a day. It can be reset with water tho. Here’s my hair before I dyed it (2012) and a current hair pic!

Routine : kitsch - caster oil shampoo bar
Conditioner - shea moisture - deep conditioning shea
Air dry most of the time. / African pride leave in conditioner moisture miracle

Does bleach affect your curls?


Are the Kitsch coconut oil bars actually any good for curly hair?
If not, which haircare bars would be recommended?
Asking this as I am trying to settle on a proper routine.

Kitsch


Hey everyone!

My current routine is wash every few days rotating between Malibu Hard water set, Live Clean Green Earth Shampoo set and Kitsch clarifying shampoo/volumizing conditioner duo depending. Though I tend to use the Live Clean set more than the other two. The routine out of the shower is Bumble & Bumble Light Defining Cream, Dippity Do Curl Gelee and Verb Ghost Heat Protector because ya girl needs to diffuse since my hair takes forever to dry on its own. I do a Wella Colour Mask once a month to keep my hair on the darker side of brown.

All that being said, as you can see from the photo which is day 2 hair, this isn't working for me. Yes, I also know I need a new cut but that's coming soon. So since all my products are running low, I'm interested in new ones.

But I have only two criteria: must be unscented and Canadian (I could also try something from either Australia/NZ or EU)

Just to give an example of scent. I recently found Design Me which I ordered one of their discovery kits but I have not opened up the box as I could smell the fragrance they use and nope. It's not about the smell being bad it's more that it's too much and I started getting a headache just from walking back from the post box with it in my arms.

I would love to try other Canadian brands like Aveda or AG but I fear that they will also have a high fragrance.

So, does anyone have some great guidance/suggestions for me? 😊 I do hope I'm not asking for too much as my routine is very bare bones as it is.

Requesting A Little Guidance With Products!


Hey everyone!

My current routine is wash every few days rotating between Malibu Hard water set, Live Clean Green Earth Shampoo set and Kitsch clarifying shampoo/volumizing conditioner duo depending. Though I tend to use the Live Clean set more than the other two. The routine out of the shower is Bumble & Bumble Light Defining Cream, Dippity Do Curl Gelee and Verb Ghost Heat Protector because ya girl needs to diffuse since my hair takes forever to dry on its own. I do a Wella Colour Mask once a month to keep my hair on the darker side.

All that being said, as you can see from the photo which is day 2 hair, this isn't working for me. Yes, I also know I need a new cut but that's coming soon. So since all my products are running low, I'm interested in new ones.

But I have only two criteria: must be unscented and Canadian (I could also try something from either Australia/NZ or EU)

Just to give an example of scent. I recently found Design Me which I ordered one of their discovery kits but I have not opened up the box as I could smell the fragrance they use and nope. It's not about the smell being bad it's more that it's too much and I started getting a headache just from walking back from the post box with it in my arms.

I would love to try other Canadian brands like Aveda or AG but I fear that they will also be highly fragranced.

So, does anyone have some great guidance/suggestions for me? 😊 I do hope I'm not asking for too much as my routine is very bare bones as it is.

Looking For Some Guidance/Products!


I’ve been experimenting the past month or so after remembering my hair is not in fact straight, and something has just been missing the whole time. When my hair is wet it holds waves so well and then it air dries and it’s ok but kinda fuzzy. Well this is my routine now:

Kitsch bar shampoo and conditioner
Milkshake leave in
Not your mothers mousse
Tiny bit of gel
T-shirt scrunch
Diffuse

I guess diffusing was the missing piece because the waves are much more defined now! I’ve always been wary of blow drying because it usually makes my hair weird and straight but this WORKED!!

Diffusing has been the missing piece all along..