My go-to is either this or two smaller clips on the top of my head, like Elle Woods in the library scene of Legally Blonde!


What she said. More claw clips but smaller & shapes


Oh s**t.  I don’t remember that scene now! 😁


Exactly it's so pretty


Ordering some tiny hair clips now as this inspired me.


I use tiny claw clips from kitsch for my bangs. I have curly hair too,but I hate the bangs


Curly_candace on Instagram has loads of easy updos


Came to the comments hoping g for a suggestion, here to echo that I also use claw clips of some size everrrrry day.


two clips!


I’m over here like, “I should really try that hairstyle.” Lol


I thought the same. OP has great curls!


Same! I was just thinking that this hairstyle might work well for me!


You totally should! It works so well with any curly/wavy hair.


Your hair is gorgeous! You should try a banana clip - they’re my go-to for non-wash days!


Banana clips look like they will fit perfectly with days I need my hair tied back. 100% going to be getting one soon. Thanks!


No judgment for the claw clip. Time for a claw clip to go with every outfit.


Hair fork/hair sticks?


This is my choice as well, along with accessories like [these](https://www.lillarose.com/) (I have a couple).

Never been a huge claw clip fan but mine are the ugly plastic ones I grabbed from CVS while on a trip…


I like to do the tiny claw clip on one side only. I part my hair to the left and clip the side with the most volume. It's positioned on the side but towards the back. On that same side, I also leave a strand of my first front layer and tuck it behind my ear.


I'm sure that makes total sense, but I'm having a hard time visualizing that.


It's halfway clipped, like hers, but only on one side. Then I leave a small piece of hair from my front layer tucked behind my ear on that same side because it makes my forehead look better. The opposite side of my hair is just down how it would be normally.


Claw clip is life


Sometimes i do two Dutch braids just on top section and braid them down (copied from happy acres homestead girl) lol


She has a tutorial posted on her socials


She who?


I don't know her name but i follow her on fb the page is called happy acres homestead. Let ne see if i can find a link


It’s a 100% okay to wear your hair in the same style everyday. Nothing bad will happen to you if you do. I promise.


No judgement - just don’t wear it while in a moving vehicle


THIS!! So important!!!


I have never heard this before, and looked at this old thread… seems plastic claw clips would break before causing any significant injury in a car accident: https://www.reddit.com/r/ems/comments/1cl9ujb/are_claw_clips_really_dangerous_to_drive_with/


Oh God I only learned this a few months ago when my daughter warned me not to


to be very honest it looks greasy


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I've been enjoying hair combs, which IMO are a little more versatile. You can do just one side of your hair or play with placement. They've got that clip-like energy where they don't disturb your curls much  - and some are super pretty!


Tiny claw clips instead, they don't dont, are easy to hide, gently on hair!


No judgement here haha it looks great! Just please don’t wear it while you’re in a car for safety reasons 😊


My suggestion is shaving it off and giving it to me, thanks.

But nah fr, I think any type of loose half-updo would absolutely kill on you.


Looks great! I feel like I use 20x more product than everyone else! Jealous!


I love my clips too … sometimes I use bobbie pins


Same!!


No advice, as I use a flat claw clip daily because of my very physical job.  If you want to try something different, how about braiding the front pieces as part of the same style.  Not much of a change, but still fun to switch it up.


Okay I just saw a content creator that used mini claw clips to make curly buns at the top of the head. It was super cute.


Omg this is me! Clip ALL day… I want a new style, too! Haha it’s so cute though


When my hair is not in the claw clip, I use a fabric headband or pinned back with 2 bobby pins on each side.


The claw clip is a go to, i'm not going to suggest another hairstyle, I'm just suggesting getting a different clips. There's so many different kinds nowadays, you can get one looks like a bow, one that has dangles. I have one that looks like bat wings, and it's cute af. Keep the hairstyle, invest in different kinds of clips yo make it more versatile!


Big fan of the claw clip here. Ive also done the two small braids on the side of my head and then pulled those back (sometimes with a smaller claw clip), I've done half up double space buns. I just got a shag cut so my hair is nicely evened out across my head.


First, you hair looks great as is. If you want something new, try this same style only instead of a clip, do an inverted pony tail. You can also do a full inverted pony tail high, low and even at the side. IMO, they work best with curly hair, especially if you pull them loose instead of snug to your head


What’s an inverted ponytail?


I didn't see a video with curly hair, but it works even better. This video says low, but they also work higher with a full or partial pony. It's also a great foundation for a bun

[https://youtube.com/shorts/qTWppfpac0w?si=4EBoJzwRsFJCvcxS](https://youtube.com/shorts/qTWppfpac0w?si=4EBoJzwRsFJCvcxS)


Wow that hair is absolutely stunning


Banana clip 😂


Idk, the claw clip is pretty amazing on you!


your hair is gorgeous! i wonder how you’d feel about a short cut? i’m thinking of some of keri russell’s short styles. very hot!


You have beautiful hair, and it surely would look lovely worn down .. and if you wore it up like another member suggested- that’d be fantastic, I’m sure.


Buy the magnetic claw clip


I hadn’t seen those before, but I just ordered one to try. Thanks!


Just make sure you take it off in the car.


I like this hairstyle too because it downplays Irish curls. Although I’m going to try to get my wavy layers cut shorter to see if that helps, in my current cut they are some of the longest layers and I’m not feeling it.


I mean, why fix something that isn’t broken? Maybe buy some different claw clips to add variety—you can get some really pretty/unique ones that you can match to your outfit, where the sparkly one on nicer occasions, etc.
If you want to branch out, I think like a half top knot would be fun! It’s not too different (there’s clearly a reason you like your claw clip so much lol) but it would be a fresh twist on your go-to style. I wouldn’t wear it all up unless you need it off your neck/contained for practical reasons because your hair is stunning and deserves to be shown off!


French hair pins/comb would be gorgeous in your hair.


PSA here that you should never wear claw clips when in a car. Particularly the metal ones, but even plastic wins in the harder material contest against scalp and neck in the event of a crash. Something a friend of mine learned through experience.

That said, your curl game is fabulous!


Just adjust it by doing twists or braids on the sides and join at the back


I recently started wearing pigtails. My hair curls up into the cutest little “sausage”. I get complements all the time. Just this past Saturday I was waiting for a table in a restaurant. A complete stranger came up to me and said “I just love those pigtails”

And I’m 64!


Ok do something LIKE this, but like a headband, start closer to your left ear and braid up to your other ear https://abeautifulmess.com/the-twisted-crown-braid/


It looks great on you! And I understand. I hate hair in my face.


I use claw clips nearly every day, too but recently discovered the flat ones. Have you tried those? Makes driving a bit more comfortable, lol.


Banana clip!!!!


Came here to say banana clip!  I feel like my curly life is split into 2 parts: before banana and after banana


Gorgeous hair! I, too,am a proponent of the hair claw;
Gather the hair as if you would ponytail it, then twist the pony up behind itself and grip to back of head with claw grip. You can leave the curly ends loose to frolic or tuck under if they are being rebellious, twist can go higher or lower on the back of the head for varying the vibe from dishevelled to done <3


I recently bought a banana clip and now I’m ready to throw all my hair ties away because what do you mean, my pony tails could always have looked this good??!


Follow curlykiet on Instagram. She's always posting super simple but cute hairstyles for curly hair! You're hair looks amazing!


I love it on you! I wish my hair looked half as good and it didn't hurt my scalp. 😪


I have the exact same claw clip and this is my style anytime I want to look nice lol I totally get it


Are the straights saying we’re not wearing these anymore? Bc any “rules” provided by straight-haired girlies do not apply to us.

Walk a mile in my day 3 hair before you tell me I can’t wear a claw clip!


This is also my strategy for day 2/3 when the curls are still decent but I don’t wanna put them fully up!


Pe4fect hair. Suggestions? Pony tail, hi bun, low bun, two braids, braid crown, headbands, scarves, Rosie riveter style, messy updo, two buns (kind of where a cat's ears would be), multiple small twists, sky is the limit.


Your go to style looks great! I just started following the.curly.carr on Instagram who has a bunch of curly clip and other style ideas that would look super cute!


I’m a halfway up claw clip girlie too! It’s such an easy but cute style. Have you ever tried a banana clip? I like them for getting all my hair out of my face. Plus, it makes your hair look really long and volumized in the back. It takes a little bit to figure it out but overall it’s easy.


I wish I could do a style like this, my hair just ends up looking flat


I wanna say I see an issue with any of the styles but i'm honestly jelly. Perhaps a banana clip?


Just don’t drive with it in


I have the same version of this but its pulling the top of my hair into a high pony


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I love it, your hair is beautiful. If that's the clip from Kitsch, its my fave!


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Curls-fucking awesome! Im jealous! Great cut too. Brows-spectacular! Both together-incredible look!


Thats so sweet thank you!🥹


You’re giving peak Lorelei Gilmore 😍
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Alright Sherilyn Fenn, we see you.


I knew you were either German or Austrian when I saw ‘Taft’ I lived in Vienna before and miss Bipa and DM so much!

Love the transformation! I am now stopping with straightening and will try and embrace the curls, I never learned how to take care of them

You look amazing


Incredible


It brings out your beauty


Stunning!!


Impressive length and patience!

What is your care routine?

How do you style it? How do you sleep?

What made you stop cutting your hair 27 years ago?


Aww thank you kindly! My care routine's in the description above, and basically boils down to being careful not to put too much stress or too many chemicals on them. Phasing out sulphates did wonders for my scalp, and slightly oily detanglers kept things running smoothly :P

Haha the haircut trauma is probably well-known around here. I received an unfortunate bowl cut I didn't ask for, and decided to never let that happen again. Then I got curious how long mine would go for, and here we are!

Ooh thank you for that question about sleeping. I'll add that one to the care routine above as well! I have my pillow in two sets of silk pillowcases and oriented in portrait mode instead of landscape, so I can bring my night braid up toward the headboard and let it fall into in the pillowcase flaps so it stays on the mattress. I can still toss and turn at night but my braid will just pivot along with it.


Portrait mode 😂 have you ever tried a bonnet? My hair is half the length of yours lol but I feel like there’s room in my bonnet for more hair.. I buy satin lined ones off Etsy from prince hair company!

Your hair is amazing!


Oh yeah, I've tried a bonnet for a long time but it kept sliding everywhere and rustling. So I had to choose uninterrupted sleep T-T. Do you notice any change for you before and after bonnet use? :)


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I’m really struggling with bonnets—how do you keep the bonnet from making the hair around your hairline all crinkly? And how do you get it to stay on your head?

Every single time I sleep with a bonnet I wake up with it pulled down over my eyes and my bangs/hair at my temples frizzed and crumpled from the bonnet band.

I dunno, I have one that’s tighter and one that’s looser and neither seem to work. :’(


I’ve found that bonnets with a thicker band stay on better, but I’m also not super inconvenienced by some wonky bits in the front, I spray with water and then blow dry on cool or let air dry when I can. I have a cowlick so maybe I’m just numb to a crazy front 🤣 but you could also lay your baby hairs down with a tiny bit of pomade or a lightweight oil. I like the OGX penetrating oil or verb ghost oil. I also use an eye mask and that can either work for or against you depending on if I have wild dreams lol.

Another thing that helped was training myself to move less while asleep. First I adjusted the height of pillow I use (for me a flatter pillow is ideal). But perhaps a body pillow would keep you from moving as much as well. The second thing I did was start wearing two headphones instead of just one side to sleep, so I can’t really lay on my sides or move much. I don’t personally recommend that — there are definitely health risks but I’m hyper-aware of my ears anyway because I wear hearing aids.


What do you mean by pillow case flaps and having two pillow cases?


I've got my pillow wrapped in a pillowcase like one normally would, then wrapped in another pillowcase. Then I can feed my hair through the opening flap into the space between the two pillowcases, and it will be touching satin only instead of the cotton pillow directly. That way it's always protected and tucked away. Bit convoluted, I know, but it works for me \^\^


Interesting! But it's the pillow your head is against? Are you resting your head over your hair, which is "inside" the pillow?


Lovely! Amazing! Impressive!! You have beautiful hair!

What do your scarf styles look like?


Aww thank you! My scarf styles are boring little hammocks haha. I usually keep my big bun at the nape of my neck so it doesn't pull on my hair too much. It's the Nothing Special for daily wear, pictured here with a sturdy velvet scarf for when I'm doing housework.

https://preview.redd.it/88zyp2xruk8g1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=784c642141fef4ccce8443779997e231111656fc


So you kind of make a hood pouch for it 😅 Very creative!


Your hair looks beautiful, 27 years of growing it out is really impressive!! Also that is a amazing dress! I do have a question actually: how do you braid it?
 I've got knee length hair and I've been braiding my hair more recently but I cannot figure out how to keep braiding past where my arms end lol


Thank you kindly! Yeees braiding can get a bit tricky after a certain length. Nowadays I can braid it freely up to waist length, and then I need to wrap it. Just wrap it around my neck once like a scarf, and it's already two feet saved. I don't braid it right until the ends anyway (I tuck those away), but I bet you could keep wrapping to braid it!


Oh that's really smart!! I'll be doing that in future, thank you so much!


I'm not who you asked, but if you don't like having it around your neck, my technique is to braid to waist/hip, then move it behind my shoulder and bring it around at waist level:

https://preview.redd.it/cagw1pg0co8g1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6bd1e6d5aa6c5a39dd4b6ddf70935e47984bd69


I’ve seen videos on YouTube of that exact technique. Part way down folks wrap it around their neck or at least throw it over their shoulder.

My hair isn’t there yet but maybe someday…


Oh myyy 😍😍 I’ve always wanted to let my hair grow out but my hand itches and grabs onto a scissor when it reaches pass my butt HAHAHH


Haha well whatever works for you, right? Hope you find a length, style and volume that makes you happy <3


Aww you’re way too sweet ✨


This shows the immense patience you have <3
How much conditioner you need in one wash?
Doesnt tucking the hair ends make then break? if i tuck my waist length hair will that be okay?
how often do you notice split ends on the mid length/on the upper length?


Oh thank you! <3 Goodness, my conditioner dollops are the size of a tangerine! Takes a good while to get it all in there and back out again. Good thing I'm not on a time budget for showers as an evening showerer.

Good one about the tucking: I roll my ends up gently and roll the braid around it, if that make sense. Did a post about that about two years ago, if it helps: [https://www.reddit.com/r/longhair/comments/178juda/cinnamon\_roll\_for\_fairy\_ends/](https://www.reddit.com/r/longhair/comments/178juda/cinnamon_roll_for_fairy_ends/)

I guess I notice a few splits every week because I check every week, and may miss some that will only be noticed later. Overall there aren't too many splits, maybe five little ones at the very tips every week, because I try to keep my hair from chafing.

What are your favourite protective styles? :)


Do you have a photo of the braided bun you cover with silk scarves?


Yes, I've plonked on into the comments here. Didn't know if it was post-worthy, but there it is \^\^ What's your daily wear like? I saw all sorts of lovely Halloween hair in your posts, by the way. So sweet!


My day to day is mostly a cinnabun with a clawclip or a braid / braided ponytail / French braid/s or Dutch braids (boxer braids). Sometimes some half-ups if I'm leaving the house for something other than gym or a run. I work 80% remote so my hair gets a lot of chill bun time, not touching anything or getting touched 😅


Oh that's wonderful, that saves so much friction and hassle. Glad to hear you can take such good care of it! Protection and attention maketh the long hair life :P


I work from home too and that really helps protect.


Magnificent! That's my goal! Well, if I manage to reach my lower back I'll already be happy 😂.


Of course, keep growing as long as you're happy with it! Did Olaplex make any difference for you this year? :)


I only use the N7 oil; I finished the N3, but honestly, I haven't seen any difference in my hair.

I should try your shampoo and conditioner combo! I'm using Redken Volume Injection at the moment.


This is insane, have you been growing since you were a wee babe?


Teehee, I wish I had! I said no to haircuts at 11 after an unwanted bowl cut. Never looked back, and got curious about terminal length when my hair was about waist length. Here we are, still growing XD

Have you got to the point where you might accidentally sit on it? :P


I see. That’s so cool to have a commitment to yourself from such a young age!

I am getting closer to sitting on it, It has been getting tucked in my pants recently. I’m excited to grow more ☺


wow this is my dream


Aww thank you! Are you on a hair journey yourself? :)


yes, waist length rn maybe I'll reach your length in a couple of decades lol


T-T Every mane grows at its own pace, yes. Some are oaks, some are willows...

Hope you get some results at any rate! And if you need care tips for your hair type, there's plenty of people around on this sub who can help <3


First off, I agree you have amazing hair naturally. Hats off to you (see what I did there? Hehehe) for the dedication! I stopped when mine sat on my lap while driving and I had to move it aside to sit down. So basically at bum length. I used to get mine “trimmed” once a year until what everyone in my family knows as “the cut”. That’s the year I said trim just a bit off the ends, and walked out with shoulder length hair. So now I go to a stylist friend’s salon who actually “dusts” off about an 1/8 of an inch every 6-8 weeks. Since then I have the longest healthiest hair, all the way to the ends, so fast. I just keep getting tired of the night routine. So again kudos to you beautiful lady! Also, I love your dress!


Thank you so much! I can very much relate to The Incident, and am glad to hear you've found someone that gives you a better experience <3

The dress is an oldie but a goodie. Still goth, still festive, and velvet just feels so soft \^\_\^

Do you use any protective hairstyles when you're out and/or about? :)


What do you mean you asked the hairdresser to give your hip length hair a trim and you ended up with shoulder length hair?? 😮 That is absolutely criminal and I’m sorry it happened to you!


This happened to me too. I had been babying my hair for so long and it was in good condition, just needed a tidy up. She didn’t even get it straight. I’m sure it was a malicious act. And she used blunt scissors so my hair was splitting very quickly after. That’s what brought me to this sub 😆


Oooops just read the pinned post. Hope I haven’t broken the rules complaining about the hairdresser! No cattiness intended, I’m still grieving, I’d had a trim by someone in a different town 6 months prior and she said my hair was in great condition and just did a dusting of the ends. Hence why it felt like an attack when my last cut was so dramatic. I’m not comfortable wearing my hair down anymore because it was so bad. Maybe I just made things worse trying to explain myself 🤦🏽♀😂 please forgive me, I’m new and went straight to this post after searching for the sub…. 😇


It’s ok to tell what happened to you, the mods just don’t want hateful slurs or threats of harm/ death threats posted. I haven’t seen anything like that but apparently it’s happened.


You are definitely in the right sub! It's so long and so healthy looking! That's commitment!


Thank you kindly! I've been a lurker here for years and don't post very often, but it's worth sharing new \* hair victories \*. Are you on a journey yourself? :)


Yes, also a lurker haha! I've never posted my own hair. I've learned my hair is 'classic' length but I think very close to being mid thigh now. (So nowhere near your incredible hair that's off the charts! Hehe!) My hairdresser is a very good friend and always listens to exactly what I want. With my permission she posted a photo of my hair last time I had it done. I'll admit. It was a lovely compliment to have someone want to share a photo of my hair and gave me a confidence boost. I've told her my mission is to see how long I can get it in a healthy condition. She's as excited as me I think!


You're like a real life princess, your highness.


Aww thank you! Are you still on a hair journey yourself? You looked stunning in your wedding pictures, so hope you keep having great hair days like those! <3


All of that hair Will pissing me of😂 already do it When I have to my bum. Now I cut 30 cm and now I could cry everyday! I had the longest healty hair, so now in all into growing it back, hope I Will happend soon and Quick! I miss my Long hair and pictures of it makes my feel so bad and sad


Aww, here's hoping you'll get it back to the length and style you're comfortable with! Best of luck <3


Thank u!<3


Yeah that’s…. Really long hair. Maybe you can use some trim, your ends looks reaaaally really thin and dry asf


Haha thanks. No worries, my fairy ends get a bit of extra love on the regular. They're wispy because those are the longest remaining hairs that haven't fallen out or got a few snips along the way. I'm fine with fairy ends as long as they're still soft and healthy \^\_\^

Have you been growing yours out as well? :)


Wow shampoo once a week! Doesn't your scalp get oily?


Nah, and I can still wash in-between as needed. My scalp actually calmed down when I switched to sulphate-free products. Do you notice any change in yours with different products? :)


Incredible!


Thank you kindly! Are you on a hair journey yourself? Your hair is so luscious! \^\^


Aw thank you so much! I seem to be stuck at waist, I'm afraid I may have reached my terminal length 😭


I love it. Gorgeous length, shine and colour! I cut mine at ankle length, so I know exactly the commitment you have.


Thank you, so sweet! Yeah wow, ankle-length hair takes quite the upkeep as well. Question: did you also wrap your hair around your neck during braiding? :)


I actually hold the middle part of the braid with my lips so I can reach till the ends!


Wow, why was your post removed? Sometimes I feel like this sub doesn’t like truly long hair. My posts get removed here often as well.


It's still here after a short check-up, no worries. Maybe it was on hold because of the number of comments. Or because I edited the post text a couple of times to put some more of my care routine in the body text. There were some great questions in the comments and I thought I'd add them up top, but I'll leave the text alone now haha.


I love the pillow tip! What a great way to protect your night braid!


Thank you! I'm so glad u/Naanabanaana asked as well. Completely forgot about those sleeping adjustments initially! This is why I love this sub as well; so many people to pool ideas with and pass our experience around :D


How long does it take your hair to air dry?


Usually half a day, so when I shower in the evening and braid it for the night it'll still be damp the next morning. :x

Do your curls dry decently quickly? XD


My hair takes two hours to air dry and it's not even that long yet. I just hate using heat on my hair.


That's perfectly valid. Does heat change your curls as well, by the way, softening them or intensifying the coils?


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Why??


I’d imagine because she likes it, don’t you think?


It looks gorgeous and I love hearing all your tips. Your dress is lovely too.


Thank you so much! Are you on a hair journey as well? \^\_\^


I am! I’ve just hit waist and now aiming for hip. I have fairy ends too, so your technique is great to know.


Absolutely stunning! Dr. George Michael would be proud! I am going for classic, but I am not sure if I want to go further than that yet.


Thank you! \^\^ Classic is gorgeous as well! Hope you get your dream hair soon!


Wonderful hair! I have a hair type similar to yours & have tailbone length hair..my question is what products do you use like shampoo, conditioner, oil, etc & what protective hair styles do you do? Braiding hair is good but for me at night all baby hair comes out of braids & it gets stuck & frizzy also wrinkly..

Also how do you style hair for events like weddings or occasions? Can you share some pics? Do you use heat occasionally for styling?

Do you trim your hair or dust off every 2-3 months to maintain hair length or leting them grow & never trimmed?


Your hair is on another level, seriously. wow


Thanks dude! \\m/.


Longer and stronger! I've been taking better care of it. Thx for asking!


YES!A long haired fella! I'm SO SICK of looking at all these reasonably attractive men RUINING their looks by glomming(sp?) Onto this new fad of looking like a concentration camp victim! Good for you!


The shine is INCREDIBLE ✨


Genuine response brain:   So sweet, thank you \^\^

Lame pun brain:   Let's spread the glosspel of conditioner


Your hair looks so healthy too! Beautiful ❤ do you use an expensive brand of scissors? I just bought some from boots to start cutting my own but I don’t like how the ends look afterwards.


Thanks so much! <3 Haha my scissors are quite cheap actually. I only do tiny little snips during search-and-destroy, so I don't need full-size scissors. That gave me the idea to buy a pair of those super sharp papercraft scissors. They're tiny rascals but sharp enough to bite your skin when you grab them by the blade. It's been working great so far!


WHAT is the secret? Scalp massages?


Aww thanks! I'd say the secrets are patience and trying to find a good care routine? Also: big yes for your Elvive Dream Lengths! That one works great for me as well <3


I’ve been using the elvive dream lengths for a month now and even my husband is like wtf did you do to your hair because it looks amazing!!!


Beautiful 😻 Thanks for sharing your routine. Your hair is stunning 🤩


Thank you! \^\_\^ Are you on a hair journey yourself? Hope you get the look you want!


Wow, this is dream lengths!! My hair tangles once it’s past my bra length so I really struggle to go long but my realistic dream is tailbone length!! Your hair is so gorgeous ♥


So sweet, thank you! Tangles happen at any length indeed. Have faith and patience, and we hope you can get the look you like \^\_\^


Amazing!  Congratulations 🌹


So sweet, thank you!


Congratulations on your progress, Ilona! I have a couple of questions for you related to your last point:

From where do you source your silk scarves, and what size do you get? Any time I go searching, I see items labeled "silk", but they inevitably turn out to be polyester satin.

What's your method for wrapping your braid in the scarf?

Thank you!


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U should do it how nba players with dreads do it but instead of dreads it’s ur curls. Look up Ja morant bun


So basically have the ponytail straight up haha


I think it looks really nice :)


Thank you!


It looks really good! You have super nice, defined curls. I’m jealous.


It’s AI.


I need a tutorial


I literally just took made a one-loop ponytail on part of my hair with an invisibobble lol. But I guess one thing was trying to position the ponytail with a bit of an upward angle.


Looks fantastic


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Routine:

-wash/condition every 3-4 days w/ MONDAY

-cowash every every 2-3days

-use LA blue gel daily


Do you rinse everything out first every day?

Hair looks terrific!


Thank you!

I shower every morning, so I guess I do end up rinsing every morning.

I used to use clarifying shampoos once a week but haven't been doing it for the past few months. My routine is pretty simple, so not much build up.


This is an AI picture, why are you pretending it’s real?


Can't tell if you're joking or not but thanks haha


It’s gorgeous. I love it


It’s fake.


Ayy. That looks really good. I envy how smooth it is, almost like someone painted it


you look strikingly similar to how my brother looked before he got his curls cut short. looks nice :)


ur hair's healthy!!


literally perfect 💅🏻✨


\#CurlGoals


Love it! Great job on care n styling of your curls!


Just gonna say it- this style, on any man with longer hair, instantly attractive IMO. especially so with curls.


Fuck man I’m trying to pull the same hairstyle and it always becomes a full mess


Re


SAME! 😫


We are all our own harshest critic, so I am sure it looks great!


It looks lovely


That’s an AI photo


I have never been so jealous! Looks amazing.


Omg I love it it looks so good on you


Congratulations to the beautiful hair. I would love to get my fingers in it if my husband had it.


Beautiful ginger man with good haircare routine and well defined curls 😍


Looking good 💯


That’s a very majestic hair and you know it! You can rock any time of hairstyle!


Curly red hair is the absolute BEST! BEAUTIFUL hair!!


gorgeous


I love it!


Perfect


Literally I just showed this to my coworker sitting next to me like wtf I’m jealous lmao


It’s AI, zoom in. This guys fake.


NO FUCKING WAY


Look at his hair in his previous posts. It’s not even the same length 🥴


Looks amazing


I’m so incredibly jealous.


Hey i’m curious as my hair is almost this long and i’m going for the same style as you - do you tie it up when it’s wet or after when dry or damp?


Not OP but I have a similar length and texture and I would definitely wait until it's dry personally


Hey, as the other commentor said, I'd recommend tying it up when it's dry. Otherwise you can cause some damage.


Love it


Love it.


So good


So good! Good maintenance.


Looks great!


Curl goals !!


LOVEEEE. i did it all the time when i had longer hair bc its a great way to show off your work and patience while keeping it out of your face


Looks great !!! And suits you


I think partial ponytails look great on most people (unless they have super thin hair) including you.


this routine is similar to mine I use the same gel. You use it everyday? can you explain like just every morning like spray with water bottle a bit then put gel in and scrunch? Your hair looks REALLY good!!


Thank you!

I shower every morning so it makes it really easy to apply.  I just kinda work some through my hair (I decrease the amount I use each time until the wash day, especially on cowash days) after squishing excess water out. If it feels too soggy after that I'll just dampen with a t-shirt.

My hair honestly doesn't form a super great gel cast (unless I put in a TON), but I could just not be putting in enough. In my experience though, a spray bottle just doesn't work well.


Your hair is amazing! Do you buy the LA looks gel at a store or online? I actually want to pick some up since it’s my wash day lol


If you're in the US, I'd definitely recommend buying them online (i.e Amazon), as it's usually a good bit cheaper. I got several at a time because there was a sale on Amazon, only 1,60 each!


Thanks for the tip!


It's freaking amazing!


Amazing!!! I love this style 🤩


Thank you! Love the name haha


What products do you use when you wash other than the la blue gel


Literally only LA blue gel 😂


Look hydrated, defined and thick to me. 👏🏻


Nice 👍


When I blow up your pic so I can take a better look, your curls look like a painting. Very beautiful hair.


UNREAL! It’s flawless. Looks so good


Fam this doesn’t even look real!


It looks great! I feel that leaving half down while tying the other half up shows off all of your curls!


Love it


it looks PERFECT sooo good


Love it, you rock that style


What is co-washing?


conditioner washing, only using conditioner instead of both shampoo and conditioner


Interesting! Thank you


Looks cute


OP how long have you been using LA gel? Curious to know because I once used it many moons ago and it dried tf out of my hair.


About a year ago


It's perfect!


wow beautiful hair


Slay, King!


Maybe it’s because of my current length and it’s simply too long but I have personally never been able to do the half up half down and like it. It’s always made me feel like I looked feminine. It looks pretty bad ass on you though!

I should be nicer to myself lol


It looks amazing! Your hair is a great length for it too! It’s one of my go-to styles for a day or two after wash day if my curls aren’t too flat.


Oh my goodness. Thick and healthy hair. It look amazing


Be happy wowww your hair is so nice


Think I’ve just found my next hairstyle! Looks fantastic dude, how long did it take you to grow to this length?? :)


Thanks! Yea you should definitely try it. This is about a year of growth.


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Earth angel! I’m still trying to figure out how to get there but congrats on the rockin day 2 look!


I love her


I love itttt


The curly bangs are putting in heavy lifting


I know this is a frowned upon question in this forum but what would this curl pattern be considered as?


honestly i’ve been a lurker in curly communities online for ten years and i’ve seen all the classifications really change meaning. i think people round down out of fear of being accused of not actually having curly hair. i’d say my hair ranges from 2b to 3a, happy to hear other input


WOW you are gorgeous


Ughhhh this is so cute I wish I could do bangs.


lol i wish i could not do bangs. i’ve had different variations of bangs for like 7 years now and there’s no end in sight. grass is always greener


I know this is unrelated but

Girrrl, your skin looks amazing


Your hair is my goal. Literal princess hair, congrats op!


Thank you!


Wow. Thanks for the detailed hair schedule, curious to try some of it


I really don’t think it’s a one-size-fits-all though — every hair has different needs, so don’t incorporate anything blindly!


Girl I’m obsess with it too


I had a freak my hair was this long last week and it was incredible!


So fantastic! Have you always had long hair?


Yes but not this long until recently! Wearing a wide brim hat in the sun + learning better brushing techniques made the biggest difference because it minimised breakage. Finding the right brush for me, being very gentle when doing it and turning it into a relaxing daily ritual, using the right leave-ins for detangling and protecting ends. I used to be rough because I was impatient and wanted to get it over with, but now I honestly enjoy it so I’m gentle and have far less breakage (still a lot of it though because my hair is very prone).


How are you drying it?


Quick dry towel + air dry. If it’s still damp before I go to sleep I blow dry a bit.


Mermaid hair😻😻whenever I think about going short I’m gonna come back to this post. This is fairy princess hair!!!


So pretty!! :)


Long AND curly, that's so rare and beautiful 😍


Great long hair.


Beautiful!!! 😍 You are hair goals! I have similar texture hair but mine is waist length. Do you brush daily? If so, how do you maintain your waves? And do you do anything special to protect your hair at night?


Hi thank you! I do brush daily, because otherwise I get awful tangles. I always oil it and then brush gently with a wooden brush. Brushing doesn't really eliminate the waves, just smooths them out, and after I braid it they bounce back. At night I braid it loosely and sleep on a satin pillowcase. I tried using a satin bonnet, but it was really uncomfortable and I'm also a bit worried it could cause hair loss. I don't know if there's any scientific base for it, but several women I know started wearing a headscarf after getting married and then started experiencing hair loss, so I'm cautious.


Congratulations 🌹


I’m also obsessed with it! 😍 Goals!


Beautiful hair! I love long hair hihi 💕🥹🫶🏻


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You look incredible, your curls are amazing


Your curls look so healthy!!


Love this


you are pretty without the excessive filter


Beautiful hair healthy and soft


Beautiful


Wow! Beautiful!


Gorgeous!!!


Tell me about your refresh day please!


It really depends on what I’m doing for the day but sometimes I only use a handheld steamer just to perk them up, and if I want more like if I’m going to a event, I’ll make my hair damp, use a wide tooth comb to get a tangles and the put the hair story hair balm in it!


Wow, such beautiful soft curls! Do you feel like they hold up well the next day? I definitely use too much product because my hair is so fine, and falls out easily.


My hair is REALLY thick so they hold up really well and basically just absorbs product lol the first picture is day 2, I use a steamer (like a little hand held one) to refresh them a bit!


I’ve never thought about a steamer! Do you have one you like? I also have really thick hair!


I just got a cheap one off Amazon for clothes but I know conair just made one for hair!


Thank you!! My goal this summer is to do way less to my hair!


YES!! I try to keep it as “simple” as possible and just let it do its thing, honestly the cut helps tremendously. Layers are my best friend


Sooooo preeettty


You don’t look anywhere near 31 at all!!


Omg thank you!!! 🥰


You’re welcome 😊


Lovely!  Do you highlight your hair?  I have the same curl!


I do! Literally just highlights, no toner or anything


You know, I feel like my hair is ok, u til they put the toner on.  Former hairstylist.  I get bleach is more damaging. But it’s like my hair is sayin “please god no…not another chemical”.  I would love for them to get to a decent color without it.


I feel that. I’m very thankful my hair lifts so light, my natural color since I was like 16 was BLONDE


Congratulations, looks gorgeous!


Angelic!


Omg so sweet 😭😭


Absolutely gorgeous!🫶


GOOD GOD🥲🥲🥲


Do you not deal with tangles? How do you trim and how often? Do you use a regular hair brush (not boar bristle or anything?).

So beautiful and blessed to have better hair on day 5 than wash day. That’s basically unfathomable to me.

Thank you for sharing!


Thank you so much! 💖 Wish I could take credit but I basically leave the hair alone to do its thing! My hair is always kind of rough and fluffy right after I shower, then the natural oils accumulate and it always looks way better after a few days. I do wash my scalp and bangs if I plan to go out with my later-week hair as they can look flat and oily otherwise.

I work from home so my hair is virtually almost always up in a loose bun (night and day), which means it rarely has the opportunity to get tangled. I basically just refresh the bun whenever it comes loose and don't bother brushing it when doing so. I only ever brush it once all the way through right after showering.

Re: trims – I have not been to a hair salon in probably 10-15 years (I'm in my early 30s). I trim the ends myself with an inexpensive pair of hair scissors, usually about a quarter inch at a time just for a neater bottom line. About twice a year I'll run the scissors vertically through the under layers to remove some hidden bulk when it gets thick/heavy, usually for heat management in the summer. And I do some very light framing around my face for extra long side bangs (below my chin).

I use this paddle brush from Aveda (the travel mini size) – I believe the bristles are plastic:
[https://www.amazon.com/Aveda-Wooden-Mini-Paddle-Brush/dp/B07QZQ7QTT](https://www.amazon.com/Aveda-Wooden-Mini-Paddle-Brush/dp/B07QZQ7QTT)

https://preview.redd.it/ay4fszwla50h1.png?width=918&format=png&auto=webp&s=a486e8e8bf20809dc7423dc35ff809e23f9773e0


This might be a dumb question but how do you wash just your scalp? I would love to be able to just wash my scalp sometimes lol


I do a regular full shampoo 1-2 times a week but for a mini wash/refresh for going out I just scrub the top of my scalp, and I do it in the bathroom sink!

I separate out a smaller amount of hair around the crown of my head (roughly the top central third of my hair including my bangs and where I part my hair down the middle of my head), put shampoo on my fingers, and scrub it directly into my scalp without massaging or squeezing it into the hair itself. I rinse this part of my head under the sink faucet until it runs clear, then I rinse the hair itself with water.

(I don’t do the bottom two thirds of my head for the mini washes. Believe it or not, the underside of my hair is the shiniest and healthiest despite this! Although that probably has more to do with more UV, pollution, friction, etc on the canopy layer).


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How does your hair not get tangled?


Omg my scalp hurts thinking about this


🥲 Always a \*loose\* bun, I should clarify.


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Silly question, but what kind of a bun?


I tried making a GIF tutorial! 🤓 At every step I make sure the base of the bun remains loose and can move around and is not pulling at all on my roots. It has to feel like it's not even there, I redo the bun if I feel any hair pulling at all.

[https://i.imgur.com/X8Auoyk.gif](https://i.imgur.com/X8Auoyk.gif)


Added bun info to my post. 🥟


Do you wear it in a loose bun? I have flat straight hair and get some degree of texture from wearing it in a loose bun.


Super loose bun and a satin scrunchie! I just redo it throughout the day.

I do get a big wave/bump at the top after wearing it overnight but it eventually loosens and goes away on its own if I wear it down for a couple of hours.

Just took my bun out and took this photo – you can see a big wave through the top from my scrunchie:

https://preview.redd.it/4ikmoan6i50h1.png?width=790&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d454fdf2ba1a8f0fd63ff221c9438f6a8ae5ab0


My hair is the same way! Looks better the longer I go without a wash. I don’t even own a brush, I just raked my hand through my hair every couple of days.


Wow God really does have favourites


Mine is the same! However I need to brush it daily because I just have SO much of it, it gets tangled. But it’s waaaay better the longer I go without washing, until it then starts to circle back around and get gross passed a week haha


Gods favorite


*cries in thin fragile hair*


The God's favorite comments are making me laugh so much! Love you guys. No one's ever said that to me. 💖😹


Your day 5 is me when I use excessive heat tools that reverts back to day 0 after an hour outside hahahh


relatable, my hair is straighter than OP's day 0, i have absolutely zero natural texture, wave, volume, etc. i have given up on attempting to achieve any wave/curl through styling because it's exactly as you say - it will look close to OP's day 5 for 20 minutes or less no matter what i do. if i even THINK about brushing my hair, boom, back to straight as a pin. i HAVE had success getting some semi-lasting* volume going with my dyson airwrap and that's as close to the sun as my wings can take me

(*lasts long enough that it looks about 60-70% as good at the end of the day as it did in the beginning)


You’re talking about the frizz and puffy texture right? My hair also looks like the photo on the right side after I sleep in a bonnet and then lightly style it but it always reverts back to the first photo after going outside🥲I don’t know how to keep it shiny and smooth


lol my greasy tangly hair could never! If I went five days I’d look like I had been swimming and the bottom would be one giant mat.


Same, friend. What kind of hair type is that?


Mine is super fine. I have a moderate amount, like it’s not crazy thin, but it’s definitely not thick. It tangles if you look at it the wrong way.


Ditto- also it begins to straighten as it falls off the curling iron 😀


Me too babe, I get greasy around my temples like 7 hours after a wash lol


This group is gonna be good to me. I have very fine hair as well but it is like, insanely too much. Like how did I get blessed with thick but thin hair fml lmao. How do you deal with sleeping? I toss and turn so much and when I wake up I look like some kind of psychopathic, anthropomorphic hairball from the world's biggest cat.


Mine is either in a bonnet, braid with a scrunchie, or on the top of my head in a clip. No way in hell I would or even could sleep with my hair down. I’ve never been able to do it, it just gets everywhere. You’re so lucky to have thick hair, regardless of fineness! My braids are so sad and thin.


Are you part of r/finehair? If not, come join us.


Thank you so much! I actually have a post to make that wouldn't upload the media here for some reason.


Probably 1A, or just fine hair regardless of texture. Mine is like this too unfortunately. My day 2 hair is most people’s day 7 hair. Nothing can be done, I’ve tried to “train” it…doesn’t work.


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Good for you. I dye my naturally blonde hair red and still have great texture. Hair dye with color deposit vs bleaching is not gonna hurt you. Don’t HAVE to have a crazy strict routine for good hair 🙄


Looooving your waves! My hair is very similar, but I bleach it 1-2 times a year and use fashion colours with no developers (Punky Color) every couple months. Always looks much better on day 3/4 than on wash day. I used to be able to make it to 6-7 days still looking good, but now I have an all-around sidecut/undercut and it makes my remaining long hair look greasy and stringy faster without the added bulk.

I pretty much never brush it, even after showers, just a quick finger comb through with some leave in conditioner on my hands (Ouai). I do have a curly hair brush even though my hair is just wavy, but I only use it if I'm being VERY particular for some reason, like I have an event I want my hair to look tip top for in a couple days.


Interesting! I wonder why the under/sidecut makes the remaining hair greasier faster?


I think it's because if I wear it down or sleep with it down, my long hair rests on top of my buzzed hair and gets oilier from my "exposed" scalp.


you have such beautiful hair, i love the color and style :)


Thank you so much! 😍 I always thought it was a boring color growing up (and didn’t love having so much variation of blonde in it – I really love solid, dark hair), but I’ve come to accept it.


Curious if there is a reason why you don't use leave-in products? Is it just a personal preference?


Pretty much! I’m not great at styling and don’t like spending money on additional products, plus I feel like the difference when using them is negligible with my hair.

I have purchased a hair oil or two on a whim in the past for my ends in the winter, but I’ve always ended up giving them away to my sister because I don’t end up using them much. 🐥


I have the exact same hair type as you. 5 days after washing is my perfect hair day. That’s the day my hair is shiny, has volume, and looks perfect. I keep it in a bun all day and let it down at night and I basically never need to brush it even though I sleep with it loose. It’s really dry and a little frizzy like yours when it dries after a washing and it needs a few days for the oils to recover. Honestly I use whatever shampoo and conditioner I saw first at the store and I never apply heat to my hair. I also brush before washing just to make sure there aren’t any fine knots anywhere. I add an oil to my hair also (coconut, Moroccan, argan, whatever I have). If I didn’t, my perfect hair day would probably be day 8 or so. Your hair still looks a touch dry on your day 5 photo so I’d bet we are the exact same hair type. Beware though: if you cut it below your shoulder blades, it will tangle like crazy.


Would love to hear more about how you oil your hair! Do you put it on the ends only or all over as a mask?


I definitely concentrate it on the ends because that’s where the hair is driest for the longest amount of time and can become brittle for me. I apply a lighter layer over the rest of the hair, even at the top near the scalp. My hair sucks in oil and it takes too long for my scalp to actually produce enough for it to look good without the extra help of the oil. I also find that even if I apply a little too much, it only looks a little oily for about 12 hours, then my hair absorbs the excess or it spreads out and becomes invisible. I only apply oil while the hair is wet, right after the shower and a quick towel dry.


thanku for the wonderful tips. I have a question:
Why to do oiling on the wet hair? and after that, no rinse, right?


Yeah so you do a quick towel dry just so it’s not straight dripping. Then you take maybe a quarters amount of oil (less if you hair is shorter), rub it between your hands and even between your fingers and then run you hands through your hair a ton. I start at the bottom and work my way up, because the ends of my hair are always the driest and because if you start at the top you can wind up with an oily looking scalp. Make sure to run the hair between your fingers too. I spread the oil so much between the hands so I don’t wind up with all of it right where I first touch my hands to my hair. It lets me control what sections get more oil or less. Then I don’t rinse it out. My hair will drip a little more just from the water running down it as it dries and I find that is enough to more evenly distribute it and to drip any excess out. I do usually throw my hair up in a towel for an hour or so afterwards also


I am flabbergasted. Beautiful hair!


Well that’s about as close to Disney princess hair that I’ve ever heard of. Congrats!


Your wavy hair is probably one of the prettiest i’ve ever seen


how does it feel to be god’s favorite?


I was like this as well until I found a conditioner that worked for me (didn’t make my hair greasier, very moisturizing, didn’t break me out and affordable) now I have the texture I want on day 1 and it also lasts 5 days.


Which conditioner?


Not your mother’s curl talk. I have a wave that’s sometimes almost curly, sometimes basically straight depending on the cut and that day’s humidity and i like this conditioner regardless. Using a lot of it and leaving it on for a few min while doing other stuff is important too


My hair looks so similar. Gotta keep mine in a braid because I can't handle it being all over me all day.


I have the exact same hair!! I just have to brush it now because I did an undercut last summer & the difference in length causes tangles. I avoid them if I sleep in loose buns but sometimes the sleep is too powerful lol


I have loose curls but a very similar/same hair texture. The longer I go without washing, the better my hair looks. Its just my scalp that needs it. I do add oils back to my hair the next day before bed once its dry. It speeds up the process for me.


Can you show how you do your loose bun? I’m sure it’s probably not complicated but I feel like we all have our set way of doing buns, and maybe your method is better than mine hahahah


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What's the secret?


my hair looks fantastic after 3 days with no washing, BUT

the feel of it being dirty--I couldn't deal with it on a regular basis! I wash it everyday and am very happy about it lol plus, it grows faster for me this way without oil clogging it all

yours looks great though!!


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From the same day


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Comparison photo from my post a couple months ago (Look back at my OG post to see the routine. Similar styling, but different products.)


Your hair is gorgeous!!! I have a similar curl pattern so I wanted to ask you, is your hair thin or thick? And do you know if it is a high or low porosity?

I am asking because in your routine you use very little curl cream, and I tried using less, or no cream at all but my hair feels very dry from day 2 if I do so. But sometimes I feel that the cream also weights the hair and it makes the curls a little loose, I dont know... still figuring out


I have low porosity hair. I’d say it’s a mixture of fine and medium hair, density is medium. I have a lot of coarse sections. I have a band of looser/finer curls around the middle of my head, starting from my ears and back about 5 or so inches. I have the most issues with that part.

With certain curl creams I use less because I don’t want to weigh my hair down or make my hair look greasy. It’s really easy for me to do that. So I usually start with a pea size and add from there based off of how my hair seems to take it. The Fenty cream has been good so far. It doesn’t seem to weigh my hair down. But when using it with the Miche foam, it can look weighed down or greasy. So I try and use little product.

So previously I had a lot of issues with my hair. It was a lot more coarse and it felt dry no matter what I did. I *always* had to use a leave in conditioner with good slip and moisture as a base to my routine. It was a non-negotiable. I always saw people talking about how they only use this or that or had products that were a good “one and done”. There were products that claimed to not need a leave in conditioner- the product was moisturizing enough to be used alone. I’m always like “Ok, so I’ll be using a leave in lol”.

Since switching back to the Garnier Whole Blends shampoo and conditioner my hair has completely changed. I’m not kidding. I’ve even got a lot of my friends on it and they’ve been telling me the same. With my wash routine, I don’t even need leave in anymore. I switched at the beginning of February and my hair has done a 180. With each wash I kind of switch what I’ve been trying (Miche is always a constant tho). Sometimes I use a leave in conditioner and the styling mousse. Other times I’ve been using a curl cream and the mousse. Sometimes I use just the mousse, which I could never do before. Before I’d have to use a leave in, curl cream, and mousse. It might be worth it to find the right wash routine for you.


Wow so shinyyyy 😍✨✨


I’ve never thought about it, but now that you say soooo

https://preview.redd.it/m85cq9mxveng1.jpeg?width=442&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b61c88e8051310d0b488d06d74cf93fc8cb45371


Your hair looks super healthy!


Thank you! I’m happy to hear that. I’ve always been insecure about my hairs health. It’s not unhealthy, but I’ve always felt how coarse it was and usually people associate hair health with soft=healthy. Even though it was healthy, I thought because it didn’t feel how other hair felt that it was unhealthy. I know logically it is, but I always have those fears lol


It seems that you are taking great care of it!! I'm sure it's exta healthy! And well, there's hair textures that are dry, and that doesn't mean it's not healthy 🤷🏼♀ everyone is different.  :)


Oh yeah! I definitely know that. I just fight with those thoughts that tell me that any texture is bad. Even though I know it’s not. That’s just what’s hammered into your head from a young age. I constantly tell myself- that’s just the texture. There’s nothing wrong with it. But then that tiny voice tells me otherwise. I’m glad to hear that other people observe it as healthy :)


heheheheh


So beautiful!! Great job!


Thank you!


Great work ✨


Lush.


Beautiful, spectacular!


Looks absolutely amazing!


Love it!!! Looks so healthy! <3


how do you get your hair to be defined and form big clumps? I've been struggling a lot with my hair because its more afro like so it doesnt form curl clumps as good, and when it does make curls they are tiny. any tips or help to fix this ??


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I’ve been using the Bounce Curl Volume brush! On its own, my hair likes to stick together in big clumps and I would try to separate them, but it was just tedious and wasn’t working how I wanted. I tried the Bounce Curl Define brush first and wasn’t a big fan of the bigger clumps, because that’s what I’m trying to combat. My hair looks much better with the smaller clumps. The ridges in the Volume brush create those for me and my hair just fills out when it dries. I get much better volume and definition with the Volume brush.

I have fine-medium strands, but medium density. It looks fine when it’s wet, but dries fuller. I would give those brushes a try if you haven’t already! It may help you out a lot.


I have started to use the bounce curl brush too and it's amazing! it definitely creates the curls but it makes my hair flat. I have both the volume and definition one but I tried only the definition one so far. it also only curls the ends of my hair, instead of like the whole strand. do you have any tips ?


Also if you’d be willing to let me know your hair type and what products you’re using, I might be able to help a little? Is your hair (individual strands) fine/medium/thick. Is your hair as a whole more sparse or dense?


yea, of course. I have 3b-3c hair and it's low porosity. so my hair is often dry and doesn't absorb water as easily. individual strands are fine to medium, but my hair is overall dense. I use cheap products. I use nexxus shampoo and conditioner for washing, and use a cantu leave in and xtreme wet line gel for styling. I also detangle my hair with a wide tooth comb if that matters. my hair really just struggles to form curls by itself, and when they do they are small and hidden. I'm trying to get bigger clumps and make my curls more defined.


You might try a mousse instead of a gel! I would do a leave in conditioner and a mousse. A mousse will give you a bit of definition and hold (depending on the mousse). Mousse tends to ask kind of fill out your hair and give you volume. Sometimes gel can make your hair appear more “stringy”. I’ve never used Cantu, but I’ve heard from other people on here that it’s not the best. So you *might* try some other products. You also don’t have to buy expensive products. There are many cheaper products and brands I love.

- As I Am has a lot of good products. I especially like their Rosemary and Classic line. Their products are fairly cheap. You can get them online and find some of their stuff at Walmart (and I think Target?).

- Design Essentials you can find pretty much anywhere and they are pretty cheap. You can find them in person at a lot of places, but they also sell at Ulta and TJ Maxx/Marshalls (discounted). Ulta is doing their 21 of Beauty and on the 17th, their products will be half off. I highly reccomend this brand and getting them during this sale. Their products aren’t expensive to begin with, but they’ll be extra cheap on this day.

- Camille Rose and the Doux are also cheap brands you can find at places like Walmart I’ve used a couple Camille Rose products and liked them. I haven’t used the Doux, but I hear a lot of good things about the brand.

- If you’re willing to shop at Ulta (you can also buy on the brands site), Odele is a really good brand. All their products are $11. I like their Air Dry styler and foam(mousse). I haven’t tried them yet, but they just came out with an actual curl line.

- If you’re ok with a perfumey type fragrance, I really like Heritage. I’ve used their leave in (in the white bottle), curl cream, and mousse. You can buy at Walmart or Target.

Some ingredients to look out for that work well with low porosity hair are Honey, Aloe, Jojoba oil, and Grapeseed oil.


Lovely!!


The hair looks really good. What's your secret routine and favourite hair products?


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OMG!! Curls are shiny, healthy, frizz free and defined! How's it feel to be God's favorite??? lol Not jealous at all!! Super duper happy for you. No, but for real lol


Thank you!! My hair used to look like before I found what works for me, so we’ve come a long way!

https://preview.redd.it/00o0f8l47q4h1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32dc82206dca3e791d69150f0fdf30f2120aa865


Omg that’s me now


Me too 😭


Holy sh!t ! This is night and day ?!!! 🤯🤯🤯


Wow! Congratulations for figuring it out! Such a difference! I am getting there but not there yet.


I’m telling every curly girl I meet, you really only need two products at most. I was doing so much for years, wasting my time and money and driving myself insane. Oil, creams, custards, mousse, foams! I tried rice water… sea salt spray…. Lord…. The way that deman brush was absolutely ripping out my hair just so I could get defined sausages…

All I need is a leave in conditioner and gel and to diffuse for about ten minutes.

Congrats on the win!


Agreed! Having to purchase all those products over time becomes so expensive too!


l use...a leave in conditioner...a hair cream and mouse....voila


It looks great!


Thank you!


omg try unicoils natural hair care! super good for your hair type!


You really only need a good leave in. The rest are wholly unnecessary


Every time I use a leave in conditioner, my hair goes flat.  I have waves and curls.  I use a curl cream and mousse after shampoo & conditioner and diffuse dry.  The next couple days I spray water to refresh and add some curl cream or gel.  It works well unless i use leave in conditioner.  (I use Curlsmith or Pantene) Only leave in bottom half of hair.


Maybe the leave in you are using is just to heavy. Not saying the other products dont work. But a simplified routine is so much better for your hair long term. Maybe just a curl cream. A light one.


Thanks for the input.  I have been experimenting for a few years


So beautiful shiny and defined


Thank you! I get why you think that, but the bottom half of my hair can look really springy on certain wash days, hence why I think I’m a mix of 2C/3A. Here’s another example :)

https://preview.redd.it/fjcesqgcsb5h1.jpeg?width=1603&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4ffee5e0bc52fd792d97ee03725c94cc088cfcf


Ah yes you’re right ,it’s clear 3a too in that pic:)


I use ouidad gel and cream, plop dry a bit and follow it with a diffuser. And I use trader joes hair oil for scrunching out the cast. Definitely best routine for me.  If I go more complicated my hair feels gross.


What is root clipping? I thought I knew all the techniques. Now I am wondering what else I don’t know.


It’s a simple way to make your hair look like it has some volume as it dries! There are lots of good tutorials on how to do it online, and I specifically use claw clips because I find them easier to use :)


Thank you, I will look it up!


I was gonna say, how come you're air drying before you're diffusing? Get that water weight out of your hair! 😆


Looks gorgeous!


Your hair looks great! What is your porosity? I need to start diffusing... My hair is only shoulder length and still takes 6 hours to air dry.


Thank you! Mine is medium porosity, so without any leave-in products, it takes about 4-5 hours to dry. I think yours is low porosity and diffusing would be a game-changer for you!


I agree. And one way to get an upper-body workout!


My hair is just like yours minus the beautiful shine. Once I can get it shiny I will be ecstatic


Dropping a comment to say there’s no need to feel bad for the heat usage. You can absolutely have a relatively healthy hair while still using heat. I always use medium heat - high fan setting for my thick coarse hair.

Your ends do look like they’re split so I assume it’s from you straightening them. Are you straightening your hair with a brush and hair dryer or with a flat iron? The latter can be very damaging on the ends so trims may be needed 1-2 a year just to upkeep the ends.


Thank you! Do you have a heat protective recommendation?
I’m using an older GHD flat iron which gets pretty hot otherwise I’m not able to get it straight myself and my blow drying skills are 0


I used the brand called Likato but I’m not sure if it’s widely available outside where I live. And same here! I have straight hair but I still use flat iron to curl my ends and could never use a blow dry technique.

I have also used the Olaplex 6 and 7 when I had bleached hair and I barely had any split ends. They are a bit pricey tho. Few other brands I’ve used and worked are L’Oréal professional pro longer and Tresemme.


Oh I can’t get Likato here but I can get Olaplex, L’Oreal and Tresemme, thank you for the recommendations! I’ll check them out :)


Btw I didn’t say this before but you have great hair. I have pin straight hair and I use my flat iron to get my hair looking like yours


Oh thank you!


Try a blowout dryer with the brush built in! I like the Lange pink one as someone who never figured out how to do it with a dryer and brush lol for heat protectant, the Ogx bond repair spray is great as well.


Thank you so much for the recommendations! I just get the brush stuck in my hair otherwise haha


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Your hair is beautiful!


Thanks! Never thought I’d have this much again! :)


Very beautiful!  The before and after photos..just wow!!!


Thank you!!!


Wonderful !!! Yes long but FULL layers Will probably add volume and cut a bit the ends espacially at the front don t touch behind. 👏👏👏👏


Yes definitely want it looking full! I have some inspo pics to show my hairdresser just as you described


Your hair looks great! And congratulations on growing it back, I gasped in awe at your before and after.

Think you just need more regular trims and maybe products aimed at hard water. Perhaps something with glycolic acid and a more nourishing mask once a week


Thank you so much! I feel terrible for not taking better care of it though!
I’ll take a look at some products with glycolic acid and start doing a mask once a week. I forgot to mention I go swimming in a chlorinated pool once a week too so I’m probably not doing enough to counter that either


You do take care of it, obviously. You may just need a few little tweaks.

Oh and swimming is fantastic! The best trick is to wet your hair and applying some sort of conditioner or leave in before you get in the water. It prevents absorption of chlorine etc.


Can’t wait to try out the trick during my next swim! Really appreciate the suggestion, thank you


Looks beautiful! My cousin has alopecia right now, would you share how you recovered from it? Thank you


Thank you! I’m under the care of dermatology and I take JAK inhibitor medication (ongoing treatment not a cure - can’t stop otherwise my hair starts shedding again). It took a month to start growing back in patches then 8 months for it to completely fill in. Unfortunately my lower lashes didn’t return 100% but everything else did. It can take longer for some people though, I was lucky with how fast the response was.


I would add 2 drops of argan, or a similar light oil. Work it in wet hair, as a last step, from half length down. It won't look like much while it's wet, but for me it really controls the puff factor, and we have really similar hair.


Thank you, that’s super helpful! I never know if I’m using the right amount of product


Glad if it helped! Start with 2 drops, I don't think you will need more, but you'll gauge the correct amount in time...
About the trim, I think 1" is reasonable. You probably don't even need a full inch, but for a a yearly haircut, plus the heat styling, it seems appropriate.


1 inch is much less than I was anticipating! I was ready to see 3-4 inch suggestions with the heat damage


It looks pretty lively to me.. The best way to determine is to feel you rough dried and brushed hair. Just brush out a strand and run your fingers down,  you'll literally feel were the damage is. It's usually much less than you think. My hairstylist cuts 1cm shorter than that spot (that's a bit less than half an inch).


Great idea! Thank you for the advice, I’ll ask my hairdresser to do the same


The split ends look like typical wear and tear from straightening. Flat irons are harder on hair than blow dryers, because you’re applying direct heat via the plates rather than indirect heat via air. The same is true of curling irons, etc.

Be sure to always use a heat protectant when hot styling, it should help. But for the length of time since your last trim + length and volume of hair + heat use, this is about how I’d expect your ends to look :)


That’s really good to know the condition looks pretty normal, thank you! :) I’ll start using a dedicated heat protectant since my multi benefit spray probably isn’t enough.


Lovely hair. Just needs a little grooming and treatment. But looks healthy.


Thank you so much, do you have any product recommendations? I’ll be having a salon cut next month


bellissimi capelli ^^


Thank you!


I dont think i would double shampoo., in my case that dries my hair pretty bad, even with the better shampoos.

Edited due to typo :)


Ive tried shampooing only once and I don’t shampoo the ends but it never feels like my scalp is actually clean :( I have really oily skin


Ohhhh.  Never mind then :)  your hair is super beautiful! Having oily skin  is a plus for long hair!  Mine is dry. Ugh!  Happy hair wishes !!!!


Thank you so much! I guess it does have its upsides, happy hair wishes to you too!


Wowwww beautiful hair. Enjoy it 😍


Thank you so much! :)


I was having split ends just like yours, and I ended up getting about 7 inches cut off. It felt like a lot, but my hair is so much healthier now. It was a gradual 7 inches because I kept going in for little trims, but it was never enough and the split ends would return. I think some people like us just need more substantial trims regularly


I expected I’d need a bit more of a drastic cut! I’m going to ask for a few inches off next month and then start going more often


make sure to cut it yourself or get someone u trust to do it. cause the hairstylists always seem to get excited and chop a whole lot always. lots of horror stories on here. 😂
and u have gorgeous hair xx


good luck in your battle ❤


Thank you :)


I was using pureology and redken and I noticed it damaged my hair I switched back to MUK ultra soft with Kevin Murphy leave in conditioner and kerastase elixr oil my hair looks amazing now!


Oh no, I’m glad you repaired your hair! Thank you so much for the product recommendations!


Hey this is so inspirational! The haircut you thinking is what I also thought! I think you could trim it more times since your hair is beautifully long now! You could focused now on keep trimming 1 inch every 3 months or so just to keep it growing “slower” but really making a change in your ends overtime! Then you could do whatever you want :) I’ve been in my hair goals for about 2 years! Hip length but honestly I’m thinking about cutting it to my chest , so don’t rush it ;) enjoy the journey!! And congrats 👏🏼


Thank you so much, that’s so kind! Congrats on hitting your goal! I’m pretty much at where I wanted mine length wise so letting it grow slow with regular trims to improve the ends is my plan after I get my next cut, although I am curious to see how much longer it could grow!


Firstly, congratulations!!! you went through a lot and you are a winner in this situation. I think you have some deficiencies like iron or vit B or D. Also, try after washing your hair splash it with vinegar. Vinegar is acidic, it successfully "eats" all hard metals in water and immediately closes cuticles. I don't recommend doing it all the time because hair gets too low porosity and doesn't absorb well products but in general doing it once in two weeks helps so much


Thank you, that’s really kind of you! I didn’t know about vinegar washing, thanks for the recommendation! Can I ask why you think I have deficiencies? I have my bloods monitored and I’m not deficient in any of those


brittle ends means hair is not nourished enough from "inside". Sometimes it is a problem from maintenance but in your case, it seems like everything is okay.
When it comes to bloodtests, doctors usually don't tell what should be raised. Like my hair was so bad and my ferritin was 20 and it is considered normal on the test but in reality if you want a good hair you need at least 70 and it is rare. Same with vit D. Your vit D 25OH should be around 60 and it is very hard to get. When I started working on it, I noticed hair got totally transformed


use medium heat and keep it a bit far from your hair


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I think about this a lot! My spiral-permed hair was okay but always a bit dry and frizzy, and it could have been glorious if I'd know about curly hair care.  Even just better deep conditioning would have gone a long way! Decades later I figured out that I actually had wavy hair all along, it was just fragile and beaten down by constant swimming / brushing / washing / drying.


Your hair is BEAUTIFUL! We have similar curl types, but mine is shorter. We also have a pretty similar hair routine—mostly Ouidad for me.

I have a question—do you get crunch with Ouidad Climate Control Gel? If so, it sounds like I’m not using enough!


Thank you! No, not that crunchy.  I think because I move it so much diffusing.  In fact, in that pic it’s right after drying and I didn’t need to do anything to break up the crunch.  When I’ve sat under a dryer at the salon it gets super crunchy. At home; not so much.


Good to know! Thank you :)


It’s wild how much more knowledge and better products we have now compared to the 80s.


I re-watched The Lost Boys the other night and I always remembered Star/Jamie Gertz having these glorious curls when actually... it's pretty undefined and frizzy? lol.


80s had NO good hair products!


Atleast you knew you had curly hair, i didnt even realize and was constantly brushing out my curls


It’s awesome that you’ve found a routine that works now


Really pretty!  Are you root clipping in the front for volume or are you getting it another way?  I'm really struggling with getting volume on top.


Not clipping.  Upside down, then lean to one side and wiggle the diffuser prongs right into the roots at the top around the part.  And thank you! (Manes by Mel on YouTube has a lot of great tips!)


Wonderful curls


Hello fellow north-of-45er! I was class of 1994 (I graduated at 16, hence why I can'tsay "north of 50"), and couldn't escape the constant accusations of secretly getting spiral perms and lying about it. 😆 This is my curls without any brush styling, just product and diffusing....I feel like my curls are way too loose to look like those spiral perms! They are definitely ringlets, I went to bed with it wet last night and woke up with a couple that looked a bit the-British-are-coming rag-curls....but I just never understood the need to harp on my hair not being naturally curly when I didn't want it in the first place. I mean, my baby/toddler photos exist. Did you hate yours in high school, too?

They sensed my queerness, they just couldn't pinpoint it. 🤣

https://preview.redd.it/nu2felooluie1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0109704b498a5ec0bfa4170776fec831a7e54795

I guess my curls were maybe a bit tighter in high school, but if so, not that much, lol. Also, it wasn't cool to have naturally curly hair--at least where I lived--the cool thing was to get expensive perms at the salon. Eeevverything was money/status driven.


Haha, the British are coming rag curls! Your curl pattern is beautiful! So many people currently ask me if my hair is permed, so I think if I’d styled it like this in high school I could have gotten away with people thinking it was a perm. But yes, I hated it Every. Single. Day.


I can relate to the spiders. At least it's not ticks 😕


What do you mean spiders??? Do yall regularly get spiders in your hair??? I found a new fear...


My hair is as long as hers, and I have never gotten a spider in my hair. Not in my bed or from outside during the day.


Counterpoint: eight extra hands to get the brushing done faster?


Hahahahahha. This is an underrated response.


Who am I to turn down this additional help?


Hell to the no! Never! She needs pest control in her house.


They don't come from the house, thankfully. I pick them up when I'm walking my dogs in the woods or out gardening


Oh no I hear ya. Cover it tightly. I cannot imagine dealing with this and I’m in Florida!


The thought of dealing with hair spiders in Florida just made me shudder a bit. I'm in Scotland, so the insects are harmless here. It hits a bit different when the spiders can bite and/or are venomous.


Finding spiders in your hair often is not normal.....

The human scalp is usually not a suitable place for spiders to lay eggs, so they're probably crawling in. I would recommend doing regular checks around your bed, couch, wadrobe, etc, for bugs.


Oh they're definitely crawling in. I don't have like a resident population or anything. I pick them up when I'm walking my dogs in the woods around my home.


Do you keep it loose or tie it up?


Completely loose. I can't tie it up for medical reasons.


Um you need to cover your hair during walks.


I will second this as someone with a backyard that is home to a healthy population of friendly spiders just doing their ecosystem job. Short or long, they find their way into my hair at some point while I'm out there roaming about. I got used to it after that first jump scare.

I'm likely walking through webs I can't see. There's also time of year where the newest generation of orb weavers take off from our trees just like Charlotte's babies did. It's called ballooning, and they travel for miles this way. It's stunning to see them all floating in the wind like fairy silk, but definitely keep your hair tied up on those days!


I'm so glad it's not just me! I promise I don't live in a spider-ridden hellhole, I just pick them up when I'm in the woods/garden


Lol, I thought you meant those tiny little knots that look like spiders, not ACTUAL spiders!!😂


Spiders? Girl please tell me you live in Australia or something… my hair is long just like yours and I’ve never had spiders in it… do you need to call an exterminator 😭


Not quite - Scotland!


Um I live in America’s Australia (Florida) and I have never even had a spider in my long hair. No way. Never. My kids all had lice two years back and I was terrified I would also catch them, and nothing.


Lovely hair, I should definitely experiment with leave in shampoo. I'm just scared of making my hair worse.
In regards to the spiders.
I used to sleep with wet hair in my mid teens, and often spiders would come crawling to my room or near me. They are attracted to humid and dampness so it makes sense. Have never found an actual spider in my hair though.


It has to be this. I do not let my hair dry overnight, and never would in a colder climate either no way (I’m in Florida).


I think you meant leave-in conditioner :)

It's worth a try, works great for me!


Never had spiders in my hair, just as long.  Could never sleep in wet hair. it just isn't worth the possible bacterial scalp infection and follicular damage possible with scalp disorders for me. YOU DO YOU. X


Beautiful hair but uhhh new fear unlocked!


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you have the hair of DREAMS 😭Love how you use minimal products too. I also use the tresemme 2 in 1 and the garnier oil 😅


Thank you! Minimal and, most importantly, cheap 😂 When I originally started trying to get my hair under control, I went through all of the expensive recommended products for curly/wavy hair, but nothing has produced better results than the £2.50 Johnson's leave-in conditioner.


Hi yeah the spiders thing is terrifying but if you don’t mind the smell of peppermint, you could add a few drops of peppermint essential oil to your hair oil. Peppermint repels spiders; I use peppermint-soaked cotton balls in the corners of the windowsills in my house to keep them outside.


That's very handy to know - thank you!


Spiders in your hair is not normal I’m afraid…


Your hair is beautiful. I would only recommend you cut the ends a tiny bit for maintenance. My hair routine is very similar, I love keeping it basic and easy.


I get tons of leaves, sticks, branches ect. Stuck in my hair, I'll come in think i got it all out, then when I wash it I'll still be finding things in there lol


Beautiful hair! May I ask how you air-dry your hair overnight?


Thank you! I usually shower right before bed, so I try and squeeze out as much of the excess water as possible in a towel. Then I just pile it above my pillow so it sits in a gap between the pillow and the headboard. It's very low tech, I'm afraid.


do you use the leave in conditioner post shower on wet/damp or dry hair?


Both. My hair will be damp-ish after drying overnight, but then in the days after it'll be on dry hair


Hey, someone stole your post content and posted other pictures over it.


thank you for letting me know - what a weird thing to do!


for me, i twist it, and wrap it. then i secure it with a fairly large claw clip.
my hair type is coarse and thick, but i think itll work for u since u have pretty thick hair.


I think [this](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdafQSyk/) tutorial on TikTok is what you're looking for.


Thank you! I’m going to try this!


I was having this problem just last week! I figuered out that if I just put my hair up like I'm doing a bun i can use a clawclip on the top half of the bun and the whole thing stays up pretty solidly.


For me I have really given up on claw clips I now mainly use hair sticks for when I want all my hair up as they work really great with long hair and can be used a lot of different ways and some of the styles are similar to claw clip styles!


I’m working on growing out my hair and while it’s only past my shoulders, it’s extremely thick and I can no longer find any claw that holds the whole thing!  I’ve definitely fallen in love with hair sticks as well!


I'm also going to be outggrowing claw clips soon, and am just getting into hair sticks. Holler with any tips you have!


Mostly I find that YouTube or Facebook videos are SUPER helpful for all the different styles!  I love the nautilus bun, but sometimes I will do space buns and stick a longer hair stick through BOTH of the buns, I think it looks cool, plus it holds super well!!

Get yourself some fancy ones for special occasions or work, but I highly recommend resin ones or wood ones that come in a big multi-pack with many similar, so you can stash them around your purses/car/house/bags.  That way you always have one handy!


THanks for the tips!


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I am getting there. Is there a trick or a good tutorial you follow for using hair sticks? I can’t figure it out for the life of me - it’s either too tight or too loose. I have found U-pins to work well though!


I have followed tutorials I found on Pinterest and YouTube! I don't have a Tiktok anymore but I imagine that there are also tutorials on there if you search for them! I also had trouble figuring out how to get them to stay but with practice it became easier I also use U-pins and I love those as well!


I’ve got knee length hair. Here’s what I do (ft the world’s worst drawing. Sorry, I drew it with my finger lol. Imagine you’re looking at the back of the head)

1. Gather hair at the base of your scalp (where the red arrow is). Twist it tightly.
2. Pull it vertically up along your scalp
3. twist it again and go back down, holding it in place with your other hand
4. annnd twist it and go back up. Tuck in ends, or do another pass going back down. 4b) clipping it. You need an extra large claw clip. Go in from one side and really get it against the scalp, then scoop and smoosh to get it over the hair and securely against the scalp on the other side.

https://preview.redd.it/zmfhclxxrkpf1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f12eb11586370f0b9276f773ee1e25053791159a


I have long, thick, wavy hair and I have not succeeded in finding a clip big enough to really be secure. Got any links/recs?


The ones I use are [these](https://a.co/d/d0Eq0k4). They’re not quite big enough still, which is why I do the scooping and twisting. That said: I have very fine hair that is wavy/curly (it forms ringlets when it’s shorter), so it usually compresses pretty well. The key is definitely twisting it super tightly. Like, twist it like you’re trying to put up a tight bun without doing the actual coil.


They make clips with stretchy bands in the middle instead of an open-closed clasp. Claws on either side connected with bands.


Octopus clips are the only thing that ever worked for me. I had a period where I liked hair chopsticks. Never tried hair pins (is it called a French pin?) but I've heard good things and wanted to try those.


primark usually has massive claw clips and in a lot of nice colours/styles aswell


This is what I’ve been doing, but unfortunately the kind of clips that hold my hair seem to have fallen off the face of the earth. I’m stuck with clips that are always either too large or too small, with teeth that bend down at the ends and irritate my scalp (as opposed to bending slightly upward).

It sucks because I can’t stand the feeling of my hair in my face and scrunchies pull on my scalp too much (hair is too heavy).


This is what I try to do. But no matter how big a clip I buy, it doesn't hold. Do you have any clip suggestions?


This is the correct technique! Perfect explanation. I have  long hair but it's quite thin, so I didn't have to look too hard for a clip that fits mine but just here to +1


This is the way


I'm surprised that this would would work with knee length hair. When I've attempted it with my classic-length, it's not even close to fitting.  For my to be successful with this style, I put in a single french braid first, then follow the steps similarly.  That helps keep it contained!


Honestly, i ponytail it or braid it then or it in the claw


We have about the same lenght of hair and I've figured out how to do it but I think I would need a video to actually explain it properly–

But basically,

Section out the strands of hair you want for face framing, the grab the remaining hair like it's a rope, wist it as you form it into a cinnamon roll on your head and you want to tuck in the last piece underneath the bun, like your tucking it in, then you want to use a XL or XXL resistant claw clip and have it make both contact with your scalp and bun.

I took a photo for reference.

https://preview.redd.it/vi7heo9rbmpf1.jpeg?width=2080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ef55fc58a3b3733279a2da4558d633ae676a07c

Btw, you have gorgeous gorgeous hair. It's so long and beautiful!!


THIS but I use an octopus clip on the top of my bun, one side gripping the scalp hair and the other latching onto the bun


This updo is CRAZY good!!! You definitely have some skills to keep it up like that, my hair is as long as the OG too but clawclips always give me an headache  😵💫


Thank you! Had to learn to do a quick updo for hot days but it does, tension headaches are horrible so I try not to have my hair up. Most of the time it's down.


I like to twist it up into a top bun but leave out a few inch tail at the bottom & clip at the base of the bun/back of the head